Re: “Russia is trying to get the Ukraine to come to its senses.”

Wed Oct 5 20:48:57 UTC 2022

You know NOTHING about International Law and the US.....
Anyone on this Plist can cite my criticisms of US policies openly here.

I am sorry for your angry blindness.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 3:56 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Stalin stopped the German Army and freed the world of Hitler and then went
> mad with power and paranoia. He is not the definition of Russia, but of a
> long history of  people who show that power corrupts and absolute power
> corrupts absolutely.   As to who is the worst mass murderer, that would
> depend on the victim. To a Cree child raped and then murdered by catholic
> priests, the Canadian government and the church will be the relevant
> oppressor, for a vietnamese peasant burned alive with napalm or born with a
> body disfigured by agent orange the US will be every bit as bad as Stalln
> or Hitler.
>   It does not take much to see who leads the wars of mass destruction on
> behalf of oil, banking and mining interests in today’s world and the US and
> Canada are far worse that what is happening between Russia and the latest
> US proxy.
>
> As to Kohut’s appeal to international law, give me a break, where was that
> in Abu Graibh, in Libya, Syria, in Gaza, Bolivia, Venezuela?  Shall I go
> on, do you want specifics? You don’t. You have never once opposed US abuse
> of power that I have heard.  The law you refer to is not law but
>  shamelessly hypocritical imperial fire power which you do in fact agree
> with, supportand believe in with little to no exception.
>
> It is funny that you talk about different administrations as though there
> were important policy changes, you know like murder by patriot missile to
> murder by drone, like moving the embassy to Jerusalem to leaving it in
> Jerusalem as a done deal, like the multi-adimistration and
> multi-government  torture of Julian Assange for exposing Government
> documents,  like ending the Iran nuclear agreement to leaving the sanctions
> in place, like pretending we were winning in Afghanistan to admitting we
> lost years ago( All of these also serving as more examples of the
> sacredness of international law) Then it is even funnier when Fuller
> supports this crap but goes on to cite Stalin who has been dead and
> publicly rejected by Russian leaders for a long time.
>
> >> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why must you always make everything about “us” 🇺🇸?
> OK Morris, Why do you always make everything about some 'them' that is
> current hate fetish of the Democratic party? Why do you need to add
> personal insults to every political or moral argument? Why shouldn’t the
> most warlike and greed-led power in the world with the largest military
> budget be held to account for its crimes? I don’t like Iranian patriarchal
> dress codes or chinese limits on speech but neither country comes close in
> provable human rights abuses to Egypt, Israel, Turkey, the Phiippines
> Saudi Arabia or the US  military and CIA, yet all these are Amerca’s
> ‘friends'. In your world it does not matter the quality or quantity of
> crimes; if they are comitted by a democrat they are above suspicion or
> criticism. If they are currently ‘friends ‘ of the US they are above the
> law and have a right to the License to Kill.
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well stated, Mark.
> >
> > As a Canadian, and also a Métis, I have a few issues with my nation, but
> > these do not include persons such as Stalin and Lenin.  Fortunately we
> have
> > not suffered persons quite so bad; we have had our share of bad persons,
> > such as John A. MacDonald and a few others.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:13 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> He is the stereotype of What Aboutism?...Yo mama too, as if any of us
> who
> >> condemn Russia must THEREFORE believe
> >> that everything the US has done we agree with, justify, support and
> believe
> >> in.
> >>
> >> He is contextless in spades. His lack of belief in international law
> means
> >> he has no grounds but his own biases to judge
> >> the actions of the US or any other countries....
> >>
> >> And, as if the bad shit one administration does, which we all condemn
> means
> >> every other administration, including the current
> >> one, which courageously brought US soldiers out of the Middle East and
> >> carefully, totally, thoroughly is working within international
> >> law with all the nations of the UN re the Russian invasion, the most
> number
> >> of them in its history which has ever condemned one nation for its
> >> war-making....
> >>
> >> That your hatred of America's sins means you support Russia is
> >> cra-cra.....that's Joseph.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 6:22 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why must you always make everything about “us” 🇺🇸?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:45 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Whereas you are so profoundly calm and reasonable  and carefully
> >>>> tentative, and well armed with friendly logical arguments that only
> >> sound
> >>>> like childish insults.
> >>>>
> >>>> As to the use of force, the Russians have beahaved with kid gloves
> >>>> compared to US Shock and Awe. Which had nothing to do with 'might
> makes
> >>>> right' or geopolitically motivated mass murder.  What could be kinder
> >> and
> >>>> more democratic than depleted uranium? And look at what we have done
> >> for
> >>>> Yemen, for Palestinians, for Afghanistan and Syria and so many others.
> >>> See
> >>>> how democracy and human rights bloom wherever we go.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 30, 2022, at 1:29 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:13 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> [JoeyT) rejects  EVERYTHING involved in International Law
> >> […]...Joseph's
> >>>>> foreign policy frame is the fiercest of force...of might makes
> >>>>> right....combined with a total hatred of the might of the US, no
> >> matter
> >>>>> what it does.....
> >>>>>
> >>>> There’s a character in Flannery O’Connor’s *Wise Blood*, that walks
> >>>> around with rocks in his shoes. *Joey T* reminds me of him.  He seems
> >> to
> >>>> have a harsh religious fervor, punishingly certain.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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