NP....judge yourselves all

Wed Oct 5 20:57:26 UTC 2022

Joseph:     "the US and Canada are far worse than what is happening between
Russia and the latest US proxy."....!!!  CANADA now....amazing yes.

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From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: “Russia is trying to get the Ukraine to come to its senses.”
To: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>, Darah Kehnemuyi via Pynchon-l <
pynchon-l at waste.org>

Stalin stopped the German Army and freed the world of Hitler and then went
mad with power and paranoia. He is not the definition of Russia, but of a
long history of  people who show that power corrupts and absolute power
corrupts absolutely.   As to who is the worst mass murderer, that would
depend on the victim. To a Cree child raped and then murdered by catholic
priests, the Canadian government and the church will be the relevant
oppressor, for a vietnamese peasant burned alive with napalm or born with a
body disfigured by agent orange the US will be every bit as bad as Stalln
or Hitler.
  It does not take much to see who leads the wars of mass destruction on
behalf of oil, banking and mining interests in today’s world and the US and
Canada are far worse that what is happening between Russia and the latest
US proxy.

As to Kohut’s appeal to international law, give me a break, where was that
in Abu Graibh, in Libya, Syria, in Gaza, Bolivia, Venezuela?  Shall I go
on, do you want specifics? You don’t. You have never once opposed US abuse
of power that I have heard.  The law you refer to is not law but
 shamelessly hypocritical imperial fire power which you do in fact agree
with, supportand believe in with little to no exception.

It is funny that you talk about different administrations as though there
were important policy changes, you know like murder by patriot missile to
murder by drone, like moving the embassy to Jerusalem to leaving it in
Jerusalem as a done deal, like the multi-adimistration and
multi-government  torture of Julian Assange for exposing Government
documents,  like ending the Iran nuclear agreement to leaving the sanctions
in place, like pretending we were winning in Afghanistan to admitting we
lost years ago( All of these also serving as more examples of the
sacredness of international law) Then it is even funnier when Fuller
supports this crap but goes on to cite Stalin who has been dead and
publicly rejected by Russian leaders for a long time.

>> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why must you always make everything about “us” 🇺🇸?
OK Morris, Why do you always make everything about some 'them' that is
current hate fetish of the Democratic party? Why do you need to add
personal insults to every political or moral argument? Why shouldn’t the
most warlike and greed-led power in the world with the largest military
budget be held to account for its crimes? I don’t like Iranian patriarchal
dress codes or chinese limits on speech but neither country comes close in
provable human rights abuses to Egypt, Israel, Turkey, the Phiippines
Saudi Arabia or the US  military and CIA, yet all these are Amerca’s
‘friends'. In your world it does not matter the quality or quantity of
crimes; if they are comitted by a democrat they are above suspicion or
criticism. If they are currently ‘friends ‘ of the US they are above the
law and have a right to the License to Kill.

> On Oct 3, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Well stated, Mark.
>
> As a Canadian, and also a Métis, I have a few issues with my nation, but
> these do not include persons such as Stalin and Lenin.  Fortunately we
have
> not suffered persons quite so bad; we have had our share of bad persons,
> such as John A. MacDonald and a few others.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:13 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He is the stereotype of What Aboutism?...Yo mama too, as if any of us who
>> condemn Russia must THEREFORE believe
>> that everything the US has done we agree with, justify, support and
believe
>> in.
>>
>> He is contextless in spades. His lack of belief in international law
means
>> he has no grounds but his own biases to judge
>> the actions of the US or any other countries....
>>
>> And, as if the bad shit one administration does, which we all condemn
means
>> every other administration, including the current
>> one, which courageously brought US soldiers out of the Middle East and
>> carefully, totally, thoroughly is working within international
>> law with all the nations of the UN re the Russian invasion, the most
number
>> of them in its history which has ever condemned one nation for its
>> war-making....
>>
>> That your hatred of America's sins means you support Russia is
>> cra-cra.....that's Joseph.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 6:22 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why must you always make everything about “us” 🇺🇸?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:45 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whereas you are so profoundly calm and reasonable  and carefully
>>>> tentative, and well armed with friendly logical arguments that only
>> sound
>>>> like childish insults.
>>>>
>>>> As to the use of force, the Russians have beahaved with kid gloves
>>>> compared to US Shock and Awe. Which had nothing to do with 'might makes
>>>> right' or geopolitically motivated mass murder.  What could be kinder
>> and
>>>> more democratic than depleted uranium? And look at what we have done
>> for
>>>> Yemen, for Palestinians, for Afghanistan and Syria and so many others.
>>> See
>>>> how democracy and human rights bloom wherever we go.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 30, 2022, at 1:29 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:13 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> [JoeyT) rejects  EVERYTHING involved in International Law
>> […]...Joseph's
>>>>> foreign policy frame is the fiercest of force...of might makes
>>>>> right....combined with a total hatred of the might of the US, no
>> matter
>>>>> what it does.....
>>>>>
>>>> There’s a character in Flannery O’Connor’s *Wise Blood*, that walks
>>>> around with rocks in his shoes. *Joey T* reminds me of him.  He seems
>> to
>>>> have a harsh religious fervor, punishingly certain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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