NOT P just proof it was not NATO ever.

[Richard Ryan]

Heh.  Intrafamilial politics can, indeed, be brutal.  They rarely approach genocidal - although if one could read the thought balloons over some people's heads...

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From: Pynchon-l <pynchon-l-bounces at waste.org> On Behalf Of Ian Livingston
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:54 AM
To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Subject: Re: NOT P just proof it was not NATO ever.

Yes, David, I agree with you. I still think NATO represented less a reason for an invasion than an excuse. Like avoiding my sister-in-law because her passive aggressive husband annoys me. I wouldn't press a divorce, say, unless the husband started interfering with my business.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 8:21 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Your memory is too forgiving. There were plenty of people actively 
> denying the reality of Putin's imperialism, his empire dreams. And the 
> only reason he's failed this time, is because of hubris.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:45 AM Ian Livingston 
> <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect a minority of thinking people actually believed NATO was a 
>> primary reason. Maybe a corollary threat via increasing trade and 
>> political alignment with the EU. NATO is more a passive aggressor, 
>> like my sister-in-law's husband.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:24 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
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