Pynchon-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 8
Justin Pittman
atlasalways88 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 15:52:54 UTC 2023
Gonna just sit this Here... while we continue to send billions in firearms
to Ukraine and outlaw the sale of even MORE of the same in our own
country...
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look
upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
"We don't use guns, because we don't have guns."
M. Gandhi
"At the end of life we will not be judged by how many diplomas we have
received, how much money we have made, how many great things we have done.
We will be judged by "I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat, I was
naked and you clothed me. I was homeless, and you took me in."
Mother T.
There. That, I think, will due nicely. Bye ya'll.
скраелигхин
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Not P, just a smart experienced guy showing up Hersh's
> stupidity or gullibility to a false narrative...just about the
> explosives.. (Mark Kohut)
> 2. Re: NP: Nord Stream 2 (Mark Kohut)
> 3. Fwd: NOT P...but MK "reading" Putin's mind (Mark Kohut)
> 4. Not P but Beckett during the War (Mark Kohut)
> 5. Not P....but ignorance. (Mark Kohut)
> 6. Not P only Ted Postol and other apologists for Syria war
> crimes.. (Mark Kohut)
> 7. Fwd: NP: Nord Stream 2 (Joseph Tracy)
> 8. Nord Stream (Joseph Tracy)
> 9. Nord stream (Joseph Tracy)
> 10. Nord Stream (Joseph Tracy)
> 11. Nord Stream (Joseph Tracy)
> 12. Re: NP: Nord Stream 2 (David Morris)
> 13. Re: Nord Stream (Mark Kohut)
> 14. Re: Nord stream (Mark Kohut)
> 15. Re: Nord Stream (Mark Kohut)
> 16. Re: Nord stream (David Morris)
> 17. Re: Nord stream (Mark Kohut)
> 18. Not P just a new tidbit re Russia-Ukraine (Mark Kohut)
> 19. Re: Nord stream (Mark Kohut)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 10:03:49 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Not P, just a smart experienced guy showing up Hersh's
> stupidity or gullibility to a false narrative...just about the
> explosives..
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> https://twitter.com/Mauro_Gilli/status/1624019376692240387?s=20&t=yRFGYBzCLOW2CEBMJ3nfIQ
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 11:49:09 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: NP: Nord Stream 2
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> All wrong again, Blind Boy Tracy, angry blues singer from Neverland decades
> ago.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 12:33 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it is not so crazy to defend culturally Russian people and his own
> > country from a person who has sent hundreds of thousands of his people to
> > die pointlessly and has made himself a dictator who outlaws political
> and
> > media opposition along with the largest branch of the orthodox christian
> > church, who has lucratively made himself a murderous tool of the US
> > empire, an empire built on a long history of invasions, wars and theft.
> > Maybe it is self defense and the defense of Russians who were being
> > viciously murdered by the government of Ukraine. The Donbass is now both
> > culturally and politically Russian, as is Crimea. If the US/Nato
> continues
> > Ukraine will lose Odessa too. Time for the west to accept it and make
> > peace. Time to stop this march toward nuclear war, a thing now openly
> > advocated by US generals and neocon powerbrokers.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2023, at 3:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have to...he acts it out viciously and he speaks it just as
> > viciously crazy.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 12:07 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yea because Mark Kohut can read Putin?s mind. I just don?t get why the
> >> big media outlets aren?t begging Kohut to write articles on what he
> will do
> >> next.
> >> > On Feb 8, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > THAT is what you surface for, to slam the US even now after, without
> it,
> >> > Russia would now be in Poland on its way to Germany and
> >> > The Baltic nations if not already there.....
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> >> > pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> >> >> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> >> >> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member
> >> for
> >> >> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> >> >> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for
> pointing
> >> >> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> >> >>
> >> >> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> >> >> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> >> >> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that mistake...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> > --
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 11:49:48 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Fwd: NOT P...but MK "reading" Putin's mind
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: NOT P...but MK "reading" Putin's mind
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>
>
> You are still self-blinded, Oedipus....
>
> And, another thing you get wrong: that I feel, have felt, insulted. That's
> Thomas.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 11:42 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Nations make al kinds of plans The US has plans for nuclear war and has
> > had plans for concentration camps and plans for torture. Some plans are
> > contingencies that never go anywhere, some are enacted, some are even
> good.
> > The US has plans to use Moldova as a staging ground for US troops. There
> > are many plans. Also ...The Zelensky regime lies a lot. None of this
> comes
> > anywhere close to war with Poland and Germany who also have plans for
> > Ukranian victory, and Poland at least, for a war on Russia. You want good
> > guys and bad guys and the US to wear the white hat. To my thinking this
> is
> > self deception backed by insults toward those who see things differently.
> > If you get insulted it is because what goes around comes around.
> >
> > > On Feb 9, 2023, at 7:41 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Andy Scollick [image: ?] @Andy_Scollick at mastodon.green Retweeted
> > > <https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick>
> > > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>
> > > Dave Keating
> > > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>
> > > @DaveKeating
> > > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>
> > > ?
> > > 5m <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1623661778990161928>
> > > #Zelensky <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Zelensky?src=hashtag_click>
> > tells EU
> > > leaders #Ukraine <
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hashtag_click>
> > > has intercepted a plan from Russian intelligence services for "the
> > > destruction of Moldova". He says he's passed this information on to the
> > > Moldovan PM. It's a plan for Russia to "establish control over #Moldova
> > > <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Moldova?src=hashtag_click>" he says.
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 12:00:52 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Not P but Beckett during the War
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> Tweet
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> ?
> 27m <https://mobile.twitter.com/NameofAuthor1/status/1624083840682856449>
> "We cannot see our way to allocating any of our very limited supply of
> paper to its production." T.M. Ragg of Routledge & Co. informs Beckett
> concerning manuscript of Watt.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 12:32:01 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Not P....but ignorance.
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> <https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta>
> Dan Kaszeta [image: ??][image: ??]
> <https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta>
> @DanKaszeta
> <https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta>
> ?
> 2h <https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/1623627081824325634>
> Anyone praising Hersh?s prowess as an investigator needs to ask how he
> couldn?t figure out basic stuff about me
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 12:46:46 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Not P only Ted Postol and other apologists for Syria war
> crimes..
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>
> Michael Weiss
> <https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss>
> @michaeldweiss
> <https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss>
> ?
> 15h <https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1623369752377757705>
> ?
> The entire story is attributed to a single anonymous source but it is also
> noteworthy that Hersh again defers to Ted Postol, a leading conspiracy
> theorist about Syrian chemical weapons use. https://
> bellingcat.com/news/mena/2019
>
> /09/13/simulations-craters-and-lies-postols-latest-attempt-to-undermine-the-last-vestiges-of-his-reputation/
> <https://t.co/vSkWnRXl4k>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:42:26 -0500
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Fwd: NP: Nord Stream 2
> Message-ID: <1BCA2AF9-CCBA-4E66-A5C8-4A2435C0CA81 at sover.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I will be re-posting posts that did not make it into the archives or
> trying to do so anyway. I don?t know why Kohuts posts started coming to my
> email despite my block or why they then stopped but intend to put some
> responses on the record.
>
> > You ascribe prestige and truth-telling to the biggest liars and throw
> muck at the truth tellers because the truth doesn?t fit your identity
> politics.
> The recent article by Gerth in the Columbia Journalism review does a
> thorough job or laying bare lies coming from the NYT and others along with
> their unwillingness to admit their journalistic crimes. Same is happening
> with Taibbi and other?s exposire of Twitter complicity with the FBI and
> Democratic party. This is not some new development. "Carl Bernstein, the
> Washington Post reporter of Watergate fame, had mapped the full extent of
> the C.I.A.?s penetration of the press in a notable piece <
> https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977>
> Rolling Stone published in 1977. By his count, Oswald Johnston?s ?three
> dozen American journalists? came to more than 400.?( Patrick Lawrence in
> Consortium News)
>
>
> >
> >> On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:05 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have even read his HERSH'S autobiography.....
> >>
> >> The greatest investigative journalist of his time breaks his great
> >> journalism ON A SUBSTACK??!!...like every other
> >> smart or stupid pundit?.........
> >>
> >> You, Thomas, now like Hersh do not know Biden nor the country.
> >>
> >> I know Burns thru someone, some two actually, who do......Hersh projects
> >> out his ass again.....
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:57 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> He is not the most renowned investigative journalist in the US any
> >>> longer...not for decades...
> >>>
> >>> and you say nothing about your whole mistaken worldview of Russia and
> the
> >>> US, you say nothing to this forum
> >>> any longer as you admit.....
> >>>
> >>> until you can slam this country with sleazy wrong supposed
> journalism...
> >>>
> >>> Rich, go look up why the solid double-sourcing, double blind real
> world of
> >>> factual journalism no longer publishes
> >>> Seymour.....London Review of Books was the last place until he failed
> even
> >>> them too....NYT, New Yorker everywhere
> >>> else earlier.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> >>> pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> >>>> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> >>>> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member
> for
> >>>> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> >>>> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for pointing
> >>>> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> >>>>
> >>>> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> >>>> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> >>>> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that mistake...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>
> >
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:43:09 -0500
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Nord Stream
> Message-ID: <897CECA8-AF34-4927-A23D-D1775FCC34A7 at sover.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Except they are boastful idiots, one of whom can?t find his way off a
> stage. Also Hersch answers this question explicitly by outlining the legal
> maneuver that a public announcement relieved the white house and CIA from
> discloing the plans to Congressinal oversight comitties.
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially the
> > same message at a State Department briefing, with little press coverage.
> ?I
> > want to be very clear to you today,? she said in response to a question.
> > ?If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not
> move
> > forward <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ild-PsPD_Uw <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ild-PsPD_Uw>>.?
> >
> > yes, for a secret CIA planned act of war, Nuland and Biden are going TO
> SAY
> > THIS IN PUBLIC????
> > C'mon........they would have lied or verbally evaded......my
> > gawd........Hersh thinks these statements of
> > how the US and Germany---as Scholz said---were united in what to do with
> > the pipeline reveals a secret act of war?
> > Nuland and Biden are nowhere near as stupid as Hersh (who really is gang,
> > READ HIM).....
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> >> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> >> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member for
> >> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> >>
> >> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> >> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for pointing
> >> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> >>
> >> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> >> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> >> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that mistake...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> >>
> > --
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:43:34 -0500
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Nord stream
> Message-ID: <61648A14-54CE-494E-9485-BAB9E76A482D at sover.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> You actually believe this shit. You are actually saying that the Russians
> foresaw the opportunity to raise gas prices by blowing up their pipelines
> even though that would prevent them from delivering the gas for higher
> prices. The gas which was already boycotted anyway. Sure dude. Is that
> how americans play chess, because I don?t think it is how Russians do
> strategy?
>
> > On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sy Hersh,
> >
> > Here is another possible motivation for Russia to have done it, since
> their
> > largest source of revenue to finance the war and
> > the country was oil and gas. How much more money did Russia make with a
> 12
> > percent rise in price? : On 27 September 2022, European gas prices
> > jumped 12 percent after news spread of the damaged pipelines,[93]
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-93
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-93
> >>
> > [94]
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-94
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-94
> >>
> > despite the fact that Nord Stream 1 had not delivered gas since August
> and
> > Nord Stream 2 had never gone into service.[95]
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-95
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-95
> >>
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:59 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com <mailto:
> richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> C'mon Mark, Thomas is only linking to an article
> >>
> >> we can all make our own judgements
> >>
> >> rich
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:52 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The depth of the hatred of EVERYTHING U.S.......even after what has
> >>> happened in a year, when Thomas'
> >>> sure predictions were 100% wrong this month.....is
> incredible......right
> >>> out of GR's psychology....
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:34 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> >>> pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Seymour Hersh reports that the US, with the help of Norway, blew up
> the
> >>>> Nord Stream 2 pipeline:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream <
> https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> >>>
> >>
> > --
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> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:43:42 -0500
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Nord Stream
> Message-ID: <0D471853-C722-4140-B969-21A52087F264 at sover.net>
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>
> Nations make all kinds of plans The US has plans for first strike nuclear
> war and has had plans for concentration camps and plans for torture for war
> with China. Some plans are contingencies that never go anywhere, some are
> enacted, some are even good. The US has plans to use Moldova as a staging
> ground for US troops. There are many plans. Also ...The Zelensky regime
> lies a lot. None of this comes anywhere close to war with Poland and
> Germany who also have plans for Ukranian victory, and Poland at least, for
> a war on Russia. You want good guys and bad guys and the US to wear the
> white hat. To my thinking this is self deception backed by insults toward
> those who see things differently. If you get insulted it is because what
> goes around comes around.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2023, at 7:41 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Andy Scollick [image: ?] @Andy_Scollick at mastodon.green <mailto:
> Andy_Scollick at mastodon.green> Retweeted
> > <https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick <https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick>>
> > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>>
> > Dave Keating
> > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>>
> > @DaveKeating
> > <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating>>
> > ?
> > 5m <https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1623661778990161928 <
> https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1623661778990161928>>
> > #Zelensky <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Zelensky?src=hashtag_click <
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/Zelensky?src=hashtag_click>> tells EU
> > leaders #Ukraine <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hashtag_click
> <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hashtag_click>>
> > has intercepted a plan from Russian intelligence services for "the
> > destruction of Moldova". He says he's passed this information on to the
> > Moldovan PM. It's a plan for Russia to "establish control over #Moldova
> > <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Moldova?src=hashtag_click <
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/Moldova?src=hashtag_click>>" he says.
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:43:47 -0500
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Nord Stream
> Message-ID: <8A7EAAAA-7307-45B7-8A3B-1CF6E08941CB at sover.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Maybe it is not so crazy to defend culturally Russian people and his own
> country from a person who has sent hundreds of thousands of his people to
> die pointlessly and has made himself a dictator who outlaws political and
> media opposition along with the largest branch of the orthodox christian
> church, who has lucratively made himself a murderous tool of the US
> empire, an empire built on a long history of invasions, wars and theft.
> Maybe it is self defense and the defense of Russians who were being
> viciously murdered by the government of Ukraine. The Donbass is now both
> culturally and politically Russian, as is Crimea. If the US/Nato continues
> Ukraine will lose Odessa too. Time for the west to accept it and make
> peace. Time to stop this march toward nuclear war, a thing now openly
> advocated by US generals and neocon powerbrokers.
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 2023, at 3:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have to...he acts it out viciously and he speaks it just as
> viciously crazy.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 12:07 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > Yea because Mark Kohut can read Putin?s mind. I just don?t get why the
> big media outlets aren?t begging Kohut to write articles on what he will do
> next.
> > > On Feb 8, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > THAT is what you surface for, to slam the US even now after, without
> it,
> > > Russia would now be in Poland on its way to Germany and
> > > The Baltic nations if not already there.....
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > > pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> > >> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> > >> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member
> for
> > >> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> > >>
> > >> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> > >> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for pointing
> > >> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> > >>
> > >> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> > >> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> > >> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that mistake...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 02:25:32 -0500
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: NP: Nord Stream 2
> Message-ID:
> <
> CANvF+wjyPQ9Fn_tZm25hkZUAWyuqHuWxVhCi+Us2xYk99_c+8Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hmmmm. ?
> Posts not making it into the archives?
> Email blocking mysteriously unblocking?
>
> S O M B O D Y (???) ?. . .
> ? is obviously fucking with you.
> ? doesn?t want your truth to be known.
> ? wants to erace you.
> ? wants history to forget how right you were.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:42 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > I will be re-posting posts that did not make it into the archives or
> > trying to do so anyway. I don?t know why Kohuts posts started coming to
> my
> > email despite my block or why they then stopped but intend to put some
> > responses on the record.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:14:56 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord Stream
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Which legal maneuver does NOT protect them, say lawyers. More than one. And
> experienced WG insiders.
> Learn the nature of what Oversight means by our congres....
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:43 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Except they are boastful idiots, one of whom can?t find his way off a
> > stage. Also Hersch answers this question explicitly by outlining the
> legal
> > maneuver that a public announcement relieved the white house and CIA from
> > discloing the plans to Congressinal oversight comitties.
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially
> the
> > > same message at a State Department briefing, with little press
> coverage.
> > ?I
> > > want to be very clear to you today,? she said in response to a
> question.
> > > ?If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not
> > move
> > > forward <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ild-PsPD_Uw <
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ild-PsPD_Uw>>.?
> > >
> > > yes, for a secret CIA planned act of war, Nuland and Biden are going TO
> > SAY
> > > THIS IN PUBLIC????
> > > C'mon........they would have lied or verbally evaded......my
> > > gawd........Hersh thinks these statements of
> > > how the US and Germany---as Scholz said---were united in what to do
> with
> > > the pipeline reveals a secret act of war?
> > > Nuland and Biden are nowhere near as stupid as Hersh (who really is
> gang,
> > > READ HIM).....
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > > pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> > >> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> > >> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member
> for
> > >> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> > >>
> > >> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> > >> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for pointing
> > >> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> > >>
> > >> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> > >> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> > >> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that mistake...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:17:13 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord stream
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAD8KJ4F8WsVGdZWOhDzCA+CBbxeoPtf79sg-7B6-FuWagm3DZw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I do not have to "believe it"....what I said is Hersh did not even deal
> with this possibility which is
> all around the foreign affairs world.....
>
> The gas was not in the pipes, dude....
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:44 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > You actually believe this shit. You are actually saying that the Russians
> > foresaw the opportunity to raise gas prices by blowing up their pipelines
> > even though that would prevent them from delivering the gas for higher
> > prices. The gas which was already boycotted anyway. Sure dude. Is that
> > how americans play chess, because I don?t think it is how Russians do
> > strategy?
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Sy Hersh,
> > >
> > > Here is another possible motivation for Russia to have done it, since
> > their
> > > largest source of revenue to finance the war and
> > > the country was oil and gas. How much more money did Russia make with a
> > 12
> > > percent rise in price? : On 27 September 2022, European gas prices
> > > jumped 12 percent after news spread of the damaged pipelines,[93]
> > > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-93
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-93
> > >>
> > > [94]
> > > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-94
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-94
> > >>
> > > despite the fact that Nord Stream 1 had not delivered gas since August
> > and
> > > Nord Stream 2 had never gone into service.[95]
> > > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-95
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#cite_note-95
> > >>
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:59 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com <mailto:
> > richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> C'mon Mark, Thomas is only linking to an article
> > >>
> > >> we can all make our own judgements
> > >>
> > >> rich
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:52 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The depth of the hatred of EVERYTHING U.S.......even after what has
> > >>> happened in a year, when Thomas'
> > >>> sure predictions were 100% wrong this month.....is
> > incredible......right
> > >>> out of GR's psychology....
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 4:34 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > >>> pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Seymour Hersh reports that the US, with the help of Norway, blew up
> > the
> > >>>> Nord Stream 2 pipeline:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
> <
> > https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:18:08 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> Cc: Pynchon List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord Stream
> Message-ID:
> <CAD8KJ4HsC7Q_-uJgoTmRCx2Pn6sVgpOL6KvYTBzanT=
> pJ4k9Vg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> You can go on record with this revelation of your mind.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:45 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it is not so crazy to defend culturally Russian people and his own
> > country from a person who has sent hundreds of thousands of his people to
> > die pointlessly and has made himself a dictator who outlaws political
> and
> > media opposition along with the largest branch of the orthodox christian
> > church, who has lucratively made himself a murderous tool of the US
> > empire, an empire built on a long history of invasions, wars and theft.
> > Maybe it is self defense and the defense of Russians who were being
> > viciously murdered by the government of Ukraine. The Donbass is now both
> > culturally and politically Russian, as is Crimea. If the US/Nato
> continues
> > Ukraine will lose Odessa too. Time for the west to accept it and make
> > peace. Time to stop this march toward nuclear war, a thing now openly
> > advocated by US generals and neocon powerbrokers.
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 9, 2023, at 3:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have to...he acts it out viciously and he speaks it just as
> > viciously crazy.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 12:07 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <mailto:
> > brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > > Yea because Mark Kohut can read Putin?s mind. I just don?t get why the
> > big media outlets aren?t begging Kohut to write articles on what he will
> do
> > next.
> > > > On Feb 8, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > THAT is what you surface for, to slam the US even now after, without
> > it,
> > > > Russia would now be in Poland on its way to Germany and
> > > > The Baltic nations if not already there.....
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 5:44 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l <
> > > > pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I don't read Kohut's posts since he called me "a worthless piece of
> > > >> shit" or something. But let me say that the allegation of hating
> > > >> "EVERYTHING U.S." on the Pynchon list, of which I have been a member
> > for
> > > >> around 30 years, is as ridiculous as it gets.
> > > >>
> > > >> As I do not see any value in providing commentary on NP topics any
> > > >> longer in this forum, I only linked to an article. Thanks for
> pointing
> > > >> this out for the intellectually challenged, rich.
> > > >>
> > > >> As an aside, muttering to myself: Linking to an article by the most
> > > >> renowned investigative journalist of the US now means that you are
> > > >> hating "EVERYTHING U.S." Must take note to not repeat that
> mistake...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > > >>
> > > > --
> > > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
> > https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
> > > >
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:23:46 -0500
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> Cc: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>, Pynchon List
> <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord stream
> Message-ID:
> <
> CANvF+wgiamZ-v9KMYfXcX8XLHNbFuWd-qt_vrSPqk+TXyxSfEw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> If it supports what Joey T believes, he believes it.
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:17 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do not have to "believe it"....what I said is Hersh did not even deal
> > with this possibility which is
> > all around the foreign affairs world.....
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:44 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > > You actually believe this shit. You are
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:47:42 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> Cc: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>, Pynchon List
> <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord stream
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAD8KJ4FoCp_GF1rF6dx-1pDQXjwGAvsp3vfz2VNLcxMNM2uYRQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Yes, and he shows with each misreading of little ole me and others that he
> "thinks", reasons, about as well
> as Hersh does (Unless Hersh is even worse than stupid).
>
> Notice how he ignores the real blows against Seymour in order to fight the
> most trivial of things. From me.
> As you pointed out the other day, David, his anonymous source fed him the
> Putin line and he swallowed it
> like a porn star.....like Brigadier Pudding and Katje's turds....
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:23 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If it supports what Joey T believes, he believes it.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:17 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I do not have to "believe it"....what I said is Hersh did not even deal
> >> with this possibility which is
> >> all around the foreign affairs world.....
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:44 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > You actually believe this shit. You are
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:16:08 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Not P just a new tidbit re Russia-Ukraine
> Message-ID:
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>
> Some, many, people---even some on this list maybe---full of
> zombie ideas that US intel was so bad, so corrupted by deep state
> bullshit self-sabotaging, that everything it was indicating, saying out
> loud
> to the world about Russia preparing to invade Ukraine was
> obviously self-protecting lies
> that these people believed until the day of the invasion that it would
> never happen, Russia
> would never do that, the US was just demonizing Russia for its own
> self-interests--as always.
>
> Here's the reality (from *The Fight of His Life*--Chris Whipple). In an
> intel coup that many compare
> to the intel coup of the Cuban Missile Crisis--which the tropistic
> anti-everything types never refer to---CIA
> Burns did learn EXACTLY of Russia's plans weeks before. Biden sent him to
> talk to Putin with
> that proof.....the first gatekeeper Burns encountered was RU SecDef--who
> vehemently denied
> until shown BECAUSE PUTIN HAD KEPT HIM OUT OF THE LOOP!...the next three
> dogs at the gate
> ritualistically denied because they knew and when Putin talked to Burns by
> phone--would not meet in person---
> Putin did not deny, said that Ukraine would not even fight, that it would
> be over in days, etc.
>
> This confirmation went back to the WH of course. All of our self-serving
> propaganda was an early warning
> to Ukraine and the world full-throatedly....one of the historic firsts of
> this imperialistic war event, this invasion of a sovereign country of the
> world is that the US declassified much, much intel IMMEDIATELY in order to
> share it with other governments....
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 06:19:47 -0500
> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> To: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> Cc: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>, Pynchon List
> <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Nord stream
> Message-ID:
> <CAD8KJ4GJz-XY5PJyLna=+A0Fh+Qov4XW4ZBwqF=
> GKq_0DLruYg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Don't ya just love, love, luv, how Joseph wants ALL his wrong notions on
> record!, right there with all the wrong notions
> he has been posting for years. We should all look some up--for laughs. Let
> me count the ways.
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:23 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If it supports what Joey T believes, he believes it.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 4:17 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I do not have to "believe it"....what I said is Hersh did not even deal
> >> with this possibility which is
> >> all around the foreign affairs world.....
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:44 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > You actually believe this shit. You are
> >
> >
>
>
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