Ukraine

Sun Feb 12 16:59:23 UTC 2023

Sure dude, I actually work directly for the Kremlin like everyone who neither trusts the CIA infested media ( https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/07/patrick-lawrence-the-press-reckoning-on-russiagate/ <https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/07/patrick-lawrence-the-press-reckoning-on-russiagate/> ), nor a country that has openly shut down opposition media, opposition political parties and the Russian orthodox church;  and you are not a German ultra defensive reflection of Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. You are so knowledgeable because you claim to be, but spout the same things as all the liars and fakes who know nothing but what the imperial war machine says.. There are many sources on these issues including Ukrainians who I have quoted or given links to in past posts with virtually no response. Also there are may incidents and videos like the confession of a drunk American mercenary leader that the Ukrainian soldiers murder prisoners of war , which even he found disgusting, or the video of Ukrainians shooting surrendered members of th Russain Armed Forces. Like I say I don’t know anything about you and have no reason to trust your claim of superior knowledge( which is just a claim with little evidence), and I see no reason to think it superior to  known Ukrainians and people who live in the Donbass who also publish their ideas with far more historical detail than you ever have, despite your claims of such knowledge. Posting Ukrainian food recipes in German doesn’t really qualify as evidence of profound knowledge of Ukraine.  I can’t read German so am limited as to what  the references you posted have to say. The 2nd linked article doesn’t have your name anywhere I could find, but it is obvious you were not one of the Ukrainians interviewed because their names were listed. 
   As to claims that the Donbass has been forced into submission to Russia, take  it to the lovers of US foreign wars on the list. They will believe anything the Hillary/Biden party promotes. Are there white supremicists in Russia? This racist crap is  everywhere including Germany, Sweden, UK, Israel, Canada... whatever . I grew up in the US when people in east coast cities  were openly racist and know it first hand and via a large body of current an past evidence. For me it is personal because my daughter is African American. As to Nazis in Russia, after losing 25 million people to German aggression geographically channeled through Ukraine, and taking the major military role to defeat Hitler I am skeptical that this is a popular theme of personal adornment among Russians. But speaking of this history and Bandera and aggression it gets real damn obvious that Russians have profoundly existential  concerns about this proxy war whose main effect has been stealing Russian bank reserves, blowing up a  pipeline in an act of war against a nuclear power and killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians while the Guardian and US papers proclaim their imminent victory. The Russians seem to have been more ready for this than the US or its Nato lackeys. Fuck the empire and its wars, and Fuck the self-glorifying and self-enriching dictator Zelensky.  

> On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 03:51, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> Your only valid point is that ‘ethnic Russians’ is an oversimplification
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> Thank you for appreciating me having a valid point. Seems like you know a lot about Ukraine so that you can tell who's right and who's wrong?
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> though there are many ethnic Russians and there is a great deal of intermarriage and a strong majority who speak Russian which is a  cultural statement.
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> Plain wrong. I mentioned that you want to learn about the region's history which you obviously haven't.
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> Regarding the use of the Russian language: the reason for its dominance in urban areas (and only there) is different from what you think. 
> And it is not a cultural statement. It is the consequence of certain historic developments you are ignorant about. 
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> The thing is they did not accept the coup as valid and were attacked both culturally and militarily after the coup.
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> Nonsense. There was no coup. The word "coup" is straight from the Kremlin's text books, and you see no problem in sharing their narrative while believing that you have a more "objective" view than others? Come on.
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> Indeed Eastern Ukraine was attacked militarily - Russian special forces entered the country after their job in Crimea had been finished, started occupying public buildings and handing out weapons to people who happened to be interested. Little later tanks and GRAD rocket launches were seen on the streets. That's what I call a military attack.
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> Unlike you who are relying on your "alternative media" (of which a vast portion simply took over the Kremlin's narrative) I actually know a good number of people from Donetsk and Luhansk who clearly contradict your story. 
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> They also led the original fighting with  actual Ukrainian fascists who adorn themselves with Nazi insignias and regulalrly heroize Stephan Bandera . The people of the Donbass fought and  voted for their current status  and continue to defend their choices. 
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> Plain bullshit. The people of Donbass were never asked. You constantly writing about "the people of Donbas" doing this or that shows pretty well that (a) you don't have a clue about what the people of Donbass are actually like and (b) don't see a problem in adopting the narrative of a power that had just annexed one part of the country and has had its military in another part since then. With all your conspiracy stuff it never occurred to you that they may not have an interest to tell you the truth?
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> Whatever happened there in early 2014 was decided in Moscow. The story about Ukrainian "fascists" is pretty ridiculous, too, in particular when you look at all the Russian volunteer militant units with people recruited in motherland Russia. By far the larger number of people with nazi world views have been fighting on the Russian side right from the start. Hence claiming their fight was "anti fascist" is as ridiculous as it is now when Lavrov and co are claimiing to "denazify" Ukraine (and Europe).
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> Calling the professional observers of the UN sponsored OCSE “Rascist" propagandists is a pretty low level of argument.
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> Which I am not doing. 
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> But that seems to be what you are left with.
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> This coming from you is getting funnier with every word. Somebody who is completely ignorant about Ukraine, its history, its demographic, its politics, relying vastly on pro-Kremlin sources, not even able to read any single first hand source in original must surely be the person to unveil "the truth" to others. Ouch.
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