Not P just Putin & nukes....

[David Morris]

First of all, I object to (and reject) the term “Ukraine war.“ “Putin‘s
war” is far more accurate, for a multitude of reasons.

It HAS been fascinating watching legal and logistical aspects of
international arms supply and support. Other European nations requiring the
agreement of Germany to donate their own tanks to Ukraine. Levels of arms
lethality Europe and US are willing to empower/entrust to Ukraine. The
effects of global economic and arms embargoes on the ability of a
superpower to conduct war against a far weaker nation. The practical
reality of the decline of a former empire to a now defacto  post-Cold War
SINO. The existence of an international arms production infrastructure.

David Morris

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:16 AM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Whatever one's take on the Ukraine war, one does get a sense of the scale
> of global connections, corporate and otherwise, in weapons/logistical
> systems that keep the Ukraine war (and other wars) humming. I think we'd
> all be surprised by those connected to the War,as described in GR.
>
> rich
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 5:01 PM Hübschräuber via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
>
> > ------- Original Message -------
> > Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> schrieb am Sonntag, 26. März
> 2023
> > um 11:56:
> >
> >
> > > Lots of folks have tried to invade Russia. Hitler for example. Things
> did
> > > not go well on that adventure.
> >
> > This may be of interest:
> >
> > https://bigserge.substack.com/p/apocalypse-operation-barbarossa
> >
> > Also: Russia (not: Putin) placing nukes in Belarus is, once again, not an
> > aggressive action but a reaction (see also "the annexation of Crimea").
> In
> > this case, explicitly a reaction to the announcement of the UK to deliver
> > DU munition to the Ukrainians. One does not have to agree with Russia's
> > decision, but one has to acknowledge the reasons explicitly given. Not
> > doing so is propaganda.
> >
> > But perhaps there is an argument to be made that giving DU munition to
> > Ukraine is the right thing to do (e.g. poisoning bread all around the
> world
> > helps to combat overpopulation)?
> >
> > Just like supporting admirers of the  Dirlewanger Brigade is apparently
> > now the right thing to do?
> >
> > Says this often quoted NATO propagandist:
> >
> > "While I am happy about the liberation of Kherson, wearing the SS
> > Dirlewanger Brigade patch is not a good look."
> >
> > https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1591244936032423936
> >
> > Wiki:
> >
> > "During the organization's time in the Soviet Union, Dirlewanger's unit
> > burned women and children alive, let packs of starved dogs feed on them,
> > and injected Jews with strychnine. Transcripts of the Nuremberg trials
> show
> > Soviet prosecutors frequently questioning defendants accused of war
> crimes
> > on the Eastern Front about their knowledge of the Dirlewanger Brigade."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirlewanger_Brigade
> >
> > This is only a small part of it. I seem to remember that the almost
> > unwatchable movie "Come and See" was based on the atrocities committed by
> > the Dirlewanger Brigade.
> >
> > Indeed, "not a good look."
> >
> > Some more propaganda for the Dirlewanger Brigade may be found at the
> > Guardian and Vanity Fair:
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/ukraine-women-fighting-frontline
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/02/women-soldiers-ukraine-photos
> >
> > Look for "Anaconda" and the van in the background.
> >
> > Yes, this is the Guardian and Vanity Fair promoting the Dirlewanger
> > Brigade (and the Nazi slogan "1488").
> >
> > The heated exchange about the events in Ukraine is not really NP in my
> > view. I think that all of this may with good reason be seen as related to
> > GR: The instrumentalisation of Nazis for US geopolitical objectives, I
> > would argue, is one of the central, if mostly implicit topics of the
> novel
> > -  just don't think "Project Paperclip", think "Operation Aerodynamic".
> The
> > novel is also about how these utterly cynical geopolitical machinations
> > could bring about thermonuclear apocalypse.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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