Not P but Moby-Dick (16)

[Mark Kohut]

Agree.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:33 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes to Mark's summary statement, and, just clarifying re: man has ye
> there: I think the meaning here is that it is "the nature of man."
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:20 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't be moved because it means we all are moved....man in general has
>> this battened down...
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:12 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So he is saying:"you cannot swerve me, and if you try, you will swerve
>>> yourselves instead." Is that correct?
>>>
>>> Also, I'm still not quite sure what "man has ye there" means. Is he
>>> saying
>>> that man is greater in this respect than ye great gods?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 12:55 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > In order to change Ahab's course, any that come to deter him from his
>>> > "fixed idea" will suffer the consequence of their attempts. The
>>> economic
>>> > force of history determined with the advent of capitalism cannot be
>>> > deterred (swerved off its course) without destroying whole populations.
>>> > Melville at his most prophetic.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 8:52 PM Mike Jing <
>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Also from Chapter 37:
>>> >>
>>> >> No, ye’ve knocked me down, and I am up again; but ye have run and
>>> hidden.
>>> >> Come forth from behind your cotton bags! I have no long gun to reach
>>> ye.
>>> >> Come, Ahab’s compliments to ye; come and see if ye can swerve me.
>>> Swerve
>>> >> me? ye cannot swerve me, else ye swerve yourselves! man has ye there.
>>> >>
>>> >> What does "ye cannot swerve me, else ye swerve yourselves" mean? And
>>> what
>>> >> is "man has ye there"?
>>> >> --
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>>> >>
>>> >
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>>>
>>