Not P but Moby-Dick (16)

[Ian Livingston]

Yes to Mark's summary statement, and, just clarifying re: man has ye there:
I think the meaning here is that it is "the nature of man."

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:20 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't be moved because it means we all are moved....man in general has
> this battened down...
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:12 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So he is saying:"you cannot swerve me, and if you try, you will swerve
>> yourselves instead." Is that correct?
>>
>> Also, I'm still not quite sure what "man has ye there" means. Is he saying
>> that man is greater in this respect than ye great gods?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 12:55 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In order to change Ahab's course, any that come to deter him from his
>> > "fixed idea" will suffer the consequence of their attempts. The economic
>> > force of history determined with the advent of capitalism cannot be
>> > deterred (swerved off its course) without destroying whole populations.
>> > Melville at his most prophetic.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 8:52 PM Mike Jing <
>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Also from Chapter 37:
>> >>
>> >> No, ye’ve knocked me down, and I am up again; but ye have run and
>> hidden.
>> >> Come forth from behind your cotton bags! I have no long gun to reach
>> ye.
>> >> Come, Ahab’s compliments to ye; come and see if ye can swerve me.
>> Swerve
>> >> me? ye cannot swerve me, else ye swerve yourselves! man has ye there.
>> >>
>> >> What does "ye cannot swerve me, else ye swerve yourselves" mean? And
>> what
>> >> is "man has ye there"?
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