Not P but Moby-Dick (17)

[Ian Livingston]

so, yes, Mike, you are correct.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:43 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> and I'm going to backtrack. The soul here is held to knowledge that it is
> a wild animal caged and forced to accept what it is given, even though it
> is not the nutrition it would seek in its native habitat.
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:36 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I say Yes....
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:29 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > So here the soul is compared to "wild, untutored things", and is forced
>> to
>> > feed on the knowledge, is that correct? Some of the existing
>> translations
>> > are giving ridiculous interpretations.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 5:20 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "held to knowledge" is my new favorite phrase, i've just decided.....it
>> >> means, simplistically,
>> >> "foreknowledge"......the uses are mostly legal, earliest I can find
>> >> within a few years of Moby Dick,--1856--
>> >> in which the meaning is made clear: the person knew (or should have)
>> >> already when making certain decisions
>> >> such that the knowledge they are "held to" matters for contracts,
>> >> arrangements they enter into....one example
>> >> given is of a person who was at a vital meeting where the Minutes show
>> >> facts, knowledge was recorded as
>> >> known--or should be because they were there taking part---and therefore
>> >> the person can not claim they did
>> >> not know Whatever when they entered into a contract.....
>> >>
>> >> A later in time use links it (as well) to eyewitness seeing of a fact
>> >> (not secondhand).......reverberating this morning
>> >> with the US congresswoman AOC who led her questioning with the law that
>> >> in an impeachment trial actual firsthand
>> >> witnessing of supposed impeachment acts is what is demanded of
>> >> 'witnesses" and getting all three testifiers, including the
>> >> lead attorney,, to go on record saying they have no such
>> >> evidence......they only have further "inquiries"....
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:50 AM Mike Jing <
>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>  From Chapter 38:
>> >>>
>> >>> The long howl thrills me through! Peace! ye revellers, and set the
>> watch!
>> >>> Oh, life! ’tis in an hour like this, with soul beat down and held to
>> >>> knowledge,—as wild, untutored things are forced to feed—Oh, life! ’tis
>> >>> now
>> >>> that I do feel the latent horror in thee!
>> >>>
>> >>> What does "held to knowledge" mean here?
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