Not P but Moby-Dick (17)

[Mike Jing]

Thanks, Mark and Ian.


On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:45 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> so, yes, Mike, you are correct.
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:43 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> and I'm going to backtrack. The soul here is held to knowledge that it is
>> a wild animal caged and forced to accept what it is given, even though it
>> is not the nutrition it would seek in its native habitat.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:36 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I say Yes....
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:29 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > So here the soul is compared to "wild, untutored things", and is
>>> forced to
>>> > feed on the knowledge, is that correct? Some of the existing
>>> translations
>>> > are giving ridiculous interpretations.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 5:20 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "held to knowledge" is my new favorite phrase, i've just
>>> decided.....it
>>> >> means, simplistically,
>>> >> "foreknowledge"......the uses are mostly legal, earliest I can find
>>> >> within a few years of Moby Dick,--1856--
>>> >> in which the meaning is made clear: the person knew (or should have)
>>> >> already when making certain decisions
>>> >> such that the knowledge they are "held to" matters for contracts,
>>> >> arrangements they enter into....one example
>>> >> given is of a person who was at a vital meeting where the Minutes show
>>> >> facts, knowledge was recorded as
>>> >> known--or should be because they were there taking part---and
>>> therefore
>>> >> the person can not claim they did
>>> >> not know Whatever when they entered into a contract.....
>>> >>
>>> >> A later in time use links it (as well) to eyewitness seeing of a fact
>>> >> (not secondhand).......reverberating this morning
>>> >> with the US congresswoman AOC who led her questioning with the law
>>> that
>>> >> in an impeachment trial actual firsthand
>>> >> witnessing of supposed impeachment acts is what is demanded of
>>> >> 'witnesses" and getting all three testifiers, including the
>>> >> lead attorney,, to go on record saying they have no such
>>> >> evidence......they only have further "inquiries"....
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:50 AM Mike Jing <
>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>  From Chapter 38:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The long howl thrills me through! Peace! ye revellers, and set the
>>> watch!
>>> >>> Oh, life! ’tis in an hour like this, with soul beat down and held to
>>> >>> knowledge,—as wild, untutored things are forced to feed—Oh, life!
>>> ’tis
>>> >>> now
>>> >>> that I do feel the latent horror in thee!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What does "held to knowledge" mean here?
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> --
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>>>
>>