Not P but Moby-Dick (17)

[Ian Livingston]

Glad to help!

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:56 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Mark and Ian.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:45 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> so, yes, Mike, you are correct.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:43 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> and I'm going to backtrack. The soul here is held to knowledge that it
>>> is a wild animal caged and forced to accept what it is given, even though
>>> it is not the nutrition it would seek in its native habitat.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:36 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I say Yes....
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:29 PM Mike Jing <
>>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > So here the soul is compared to "wild, untutored things", and is
>>>> forced to
>>>> > feed on the knowledge, is that correct? Some of the existing
>>>> translations
>>>> > are giving ridiculous interpretations.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 5:20 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> "held to knowledge" is my new favorite phrase, i've just
>>>> decided.....it
>>>> >> means, simplistically,
>>>> >> "foreknowledge"......the uses are mostly legal, earliest I can find
>>>> >> within a few years of Moby Dick,--1856--
>>>> >> in which the meaning is made clear: the person knew (or should have)
>>>> >> already when making certain decisions
>>>> >> such that the knowledge they are "held to" matters for contracts,
>>>> >> arrangements they enter into....one example
>>>> >> given is of a person who was at a vital meeting where the Minutes
>>>> show
>>>> >> facts, knowledge was recorded as
>>>> >> known--or should be because they were there taking part---and
>>>> therefore
>>>> >> the person can not claim they did
>>>> >> not know Whatever when they entered into a contract.....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A later in time use links it (as well) to eyewitness seeing of a fact
>>>> >> (not secondhand).......reverberating this morning
>>>> >> with the US congresswoman AOC who led her questioning with the law
>>>> that
>>>> >> in an impeachment trial actual firsthand
>>>> >> witnessing of supposed impeachment acts is what is demanded of
>>>> >> 'witnesses" and getting all three testifiers, including the
>>>> >> lead attorney,, to go on record saying they have no such
>>>> >> evidence......they only have further "inquiries"....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:50 AM Mike Jing <
>>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>  From Chapter 38:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The long howl thrills me through! Peace! ye revellers, and set the
>>>> watch!
>>>> >>> Oh, life! ’tis in an hour like this, with soul beat down and held to
>>>> >>> knowledge,—as wild, untutored things are forced to feed—Oh, life!
>>>> ’tis
>>>> >>> now
>>>> >>> that I do feel the latent horror in thee!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What does "held to knowledge" mean here?
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