CoL49 Group Reading

[Mark Kohut]

Thompson's book was years later, we know.....Hunter doesn't seem to me to
get character-creating clues from
other novels....esp a so-minor character BUT.........could be a real social
type of the times those two geniuses
saw and created separately.....

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:01 PM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're into water and lakes for the unconscious, I was going to point
> out that the I Ching 49 hexagram is the well.  But then I checked and the
> well is 48, not 49.  Hexagram 49 is revolution.  "Chaos from order,"
> according to the "interpretation" I randomly clicked on.
>
> I have also gotten into my head that Metzger looks and acts just like
> Benicio Del Toro in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.  I hope that doesn't
> poison anyone else's well.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:12 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On May 10, 2024, at 12:57 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So Pierce is a kind of shape-shifter, like the Norse character Loki.
> > > I know that Pynchon references the icy North in GR. But are there any
> > Norse
> > > mythology references in COL49, other than (maybe) Pierce as Loki?
> >
> >
> > What comes to mind is the Icy unswimmable waters of Lago di Prieta,
> > rhyming with icy waters navigated by the submarine Justine, rhyming with
> > the cold lake where the flower of Faggian youth ended up in their battle
> > with Tristero, by which Nicole was killed,,  and the strangely named
> > Fangoso lagoon( strange because it is for scuba divers who would want
> > clarity to explore the imported Spanish galleons, but Fangoso means
> muddy,
> > murky.) Bones in the cold depths everywhere. And some question as to who
> > knows where the bodies are buried which Oedipa is curious about but
> > Metzger, Cohen and Driblet discourage.
> >
> >
> > Water is the commonest symbol for the unconscious.
> > The lake in the valley is the unconscious, which lies, as it were,
> > underneath consciousness, so that it is often referred to as the
> > “subconscious,” usually with the pejorative connotation of an inferior
> > consciousness.
> > Water is the “valley spirit,” the water dragon of Tao, whose nature
> > resembles water- a yang in the yin, therefore, water means spirit that
> has
> > become unconscious.
> > Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious
> > Paragraph 40
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