CoL49 Group Reading

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What's worse is the movie didn't come out until at least '83, '84, and I
kept thinking Leaving Las Vegas while seeing Del Toro.

Not thinking about the Leaving movie, as in viewing it in my head and
always seeing Del Toro's Fear and Loathing character acting in the place of
the FaceOff guy's Leaving character and Del Toro saying the Leaving lines.
By now yes but not earlier.


On Tue, May 14, 2024, 3:52 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thompson's book was years later, we know.....Hunter doesn't seem to me to
> get character-creating clues from
> other novels....esp a so-minor character BUT.........could be a real
> social type of the times those two geniuses
> saw and created separately.....
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:01 PM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're into water and lakes for the unconscious, I was going to point
>> out that the I Ching 49 hexagram is the well.  But then I checked and the
>> well is 48, not 49.  Hexagram 49 is revolution.  "Chaos from order,"
>> according to the "interpretation" I randomly clicked on.
>>
>> I have also gotten into my head that Metzger looks and acts just like
>> Benicio Del Toro in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.  I hope that doesn't
>> poison anyone else's well.
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:12 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > > On May 10, 2024, at 12:57 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > So Pierce is a kind of shape-shifter, like the Norse character Loki.
>> > > I know that Pynchon references the icy North in GR. But are there any
>> > Norse
>> > > mythology references in COL49, other than (maybe) Pierce as Loki?
>> >
>> >
>> > What comes to mind is the Icy unswimmable waters of Lago di Prieta,
>> > rhyming with icy waters navigated by the submarine Justine, rhyming with
>> > the cold lake where the flower of Faggian youth ended up in their battle
>> > with Tristero, by which Nicole was killed,,  and the strangely named
>> > Fangoso lagoon( strange because it is for scuba divers who would want
>> > clarity to explore the imported Spanish galleons, but Fangoso means
>> muddy,
>> > murky.) Bones in the cold depths everywhere. And some question as to who
>> > knows where the bodies are buried which Oedipa is curious about but
>> > Metzger, Cohen and Driblet discourage.
>> >
>> >
>> > Water is the commonest symbol for the unconscious.
>> > The lake in the valley is the unconscious, which lies, as it were,
>> > underneath consciousness, so that it is often referred to as the
>> > “subconscious,” usually with the pejorative connotation of an inferior
>> > consciousness.
>> > Water is the “valley spirit,” the water dragon of Tao, whose nature
>> > resembles water- a yang in the yin, therefore, water means spirit that
>> has
>> > become unconscious.
>> > Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious
>> > Paragraph 40
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