Crying of Lot 49, Group Read 2024

[Mark Kohut]

One might see the sex as the way so many women, mostly married in The
Feminine Mystique way because the major way then, as
a working metaphor....self-armored women with men so boring they, the
women, fall asleep during the foreplay that isn't foreplay for THEM.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 5:17 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've read the scene closely again..."his radiant eyes flew open, pierced
> her"---
> "an enormous sigh that carried all rigidity like a mythical fluid from
> her".....WTF parody of Romance novels is one slant.........
> ."she couldn't help him undress her.  {She's a puddle of melte emotion]
>  ......then the Barbie doll metaphor and she falls asleep "once or
> twice".....
>
> Notice that Oedipa says "as if, she thought, he were......[a] little
> girl"....
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:40 PM J K Van Nort <jkvannort at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Does that include having sex with someone who is asleep that they just
>> met?
>>
>> I’m fine with Oed having WTF sex, and she wants to have it. In Metzger’s
>> situation, I wouldn’t continue if the woman had passed out. Using sex to
>> wake her up is presumptuous at best.
>>
>> In solidarity,
>>
>> James
>>
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>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024, 16:15, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Men have WTF sex all the time.  It’s not “real” or love. It’s SEX
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:02 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The sex Oed has with Metz is a guarded WTF sex.  He initially flashed
>> his
>> > sexuality so expertly that Oed figured he must be an actor setting her
>> up,
>> > maybe hidden camera. He turns her on. He doesn’t APPEAR gay… He’s
>> annoying,
>> > but her hair-down mode is powerful. So she feels up for the challenge
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 3:29 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Speaking again of sex, Oedipa and Metzger,
>> >> when I wrote about bad sex--not fully conscious, engaged, loving
>> >> Lawrentian sex--there is the countertruth (if I am right)...that
>> >>
>> >> They came together, satisfyingly.
>> >>
>> >> The need? The meaning?
>> >>
>> >> Oedipa's bite, thru the sharkskin suit into M's arm? Not normal. WTF?
>> >> And I was led to these words in Margaret Atwood's early poetic
>> >> narrative *The Journals of Susannah Moodie. *A Canadian woman
>> >> on the prairie, struggling, in the mid-nineteenth century.
>> >>
>> >>  "you dangle on the leash of your own longing; your need grows teeth."
>> >>
>> >> No, no influence on Pynchon, maybe the reverse?  1970
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>> >
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