Crying of Lot 49, Group Read 2024

[Mark Kohut]

It IS interpersonally and legally very dicey for hm to continue when she is
asleep--but we read of
him continuing before we read she fell asleep once or twice BUT.....IF a NO
at any time is her human right,
then........yes, very dicey......like the pool hall scene in V.....

But this indicts Metzger, of course, not an embodiment of any of TRP's
values.....

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 5:22 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> One might see the sex as the way so many women, mostly married in The
> Feminine Mystique way because the major way then, as
> a working metaphor....self-armored women with men so boring they, the
> women, fall asleep during the foreplay that isn't foreplay for THEM.
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 5:17 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've read the scene closely again..."his radiant eyes flew open, pierced
>> her"---
>> "an enormous sigh that carried all rigidity like a mythical fluid from
>> her".....WTF parody of Romance novels is one slant.........
>> ."she couldn't help him undress her.  {She's a puddle of melte emotion]
>>  ......then the Barbie doll metaphor and she falls asleep "once or
>> twice".....
>>
>> Notice that Oedipa says "as if, she thought, he were......[a] little
>> girl"....
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:40 PM J K Van Nort <jkvannort at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does that include having sex with someone who is asleep that they just
>>> met?
>>>
>>> I’m fine with Oed having WTF sex, and she wants to have it. In Metzger’s
>>> situation, I wouldn’t continue if the woman had passed out. Using sex to
>>> wake her up is presumptuous at best.
>>>
>>> In solidarity,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024, 16:15, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Men have WTF sex all the time.  It’s not “real” or love. It’s SEX
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 4:02 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The sex Oed has with Metz is a guarded WTF sex.  He initially flashed
>>> his
>>> > sexuality so expertly that Oed figured he must be an actor setting her
>>> up,
>>> > maybe hidden camera. He turns her on. He doesn’t APPEAR gay… He’s
>>> annoying,
>>> > but her hair-down mode is powerful. So she feels up for the challenge
>>> >
>>> > David Morris
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 3:29 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Speaking again of sex, Oedipa and Metzger,
>>> >> when I wrote about bad sex--not fully conscious, engaged, loving
>>> >> Lawrentian sex--there is the countertruth (if I am right)...that
>>> >>
>>> >> They came together, satisfyingly.
>>> >>
>>> >> The need? The meaning?
>>> >>
>>> >> Oedipa's bite, thru the sharkskin suit into M's arm? Not normal. WTF?
>>> >> And I was led to these words in Margaret Atwood's early poetic
>>> >> narrative *The Journals of Susannah Moodie. *A Canadian woman
>>> >> on the prairie, struggling, in the mid-nineteenth century.
>>> >>
>>> >>  "you dangle on the leash of your own longing; your need grows teeth."
>>> >>
>>> >> No, no influence on Pynchon, maybe the reverse?  1970
>>> >> --
>>> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>