CoL49 group reading - Rapunzel musings

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Circles of consciousness, rather.

Orbit, damn you!  Orbit!

Lack of love of self certainly explains a few things, doesn't it.  Taste in
men, sort of thing.  It is a reasonable assessment that the woman, bless
her heart, would not see a prince in a human error who has a bust of a
fraudster capitalist over his headboard, if she loved herself.  Or let
lawyers rape her on cheap motel floors.

Divine Love is a self-love.  The Master isn't going to set you free into
the circulating fields of infinite consciousness, if you don't love
yourself first.

Of course the greatest of artists are conscious of what we call the
unconscious.  Which is vital and alive and aware, superconscious, to say
the least.  And of course connected.  Your unconscious is Aware, and
attached to all others.  They communicate, make love.  Codified in the
chromosomes, the genes, whatever, everything is an idea materialized.

Again, the greatest artists are a bleeding through of prime reality.  You
can do it too, you are just closed off at the moment.  This author, count
on it.  It knows what is happening.

Damn it, where is my Herodote, this shit isn't hard.  Consciousness forms
matter.  Matter is a form of consciousness.  This system is just one of
many with totally different rules that govern the blind.



On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 8:05 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> if we have to know ourselves aright, to love ourselves rightly, then I
>> see Oedipa, from the
>> allusive name and her quest to be seeking self-knowledge even
>> though---isn't it a condition
>> of full self-awareness that you can't really realize what you are seeking?
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> “Realization” is another term for “Enlightenment” in Consciousness
> Circles.  Many consider it a more-accurate term, because Enlightenment
> sounds like a final point of total Consciousness possible. But realizations
> can be extremely powerful and profound, but they are not end points. And
> they are a multitude, not a single universal ultimate state.
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>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 12:20 AM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Maybe she is lacking/searching for self-love, maybe without even
>> realizing
>> > it.
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 18, 2024, 2:24 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> > > Yes. This is pretty much  how I am reading Oed’s psychological terrain
>> > > seen through the Rapunzel story.. My sense is that she can lo longer
>> play
>> > > the role of maiden saved by Prince because a) PI is 3/4ths asshole
>> and b)
>> > > he has not brought true escape but a realization about the deeper
>> nature
>> > of
>> > > her entrapment.
>> > >
>> > > Her tower length hair as  genuine outgrowth of feminine identity is
>> > > severed by that realization and what remains is no longer a
>> sustainable
>> > > connection to herself or  PI.
>> > >
>> > > > On May 18, 2024, at 9:17 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 5:00 AM Michael
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > > “Suppose that climbing the hair is the legitimate way to woo -
>> dealing
>> > > > directly with something that grows out of her, and entering her
>> > > imprisoning
>> > > > environment via Oedipa herself, whereupon they bond and escape that
>> > > > environment. […]
>> > > >
>> > > > [***]Something[***] interferes with the fairytale”
>> > > >
>> > > > SOMETHING? It’s identities as:
>> > > > “some sinister sorcery”
>> > > > And:
>> > > > “ having no apparatus except gut, fear and female, cunning to
>> examine
>> > the
>> > > > formless magic, to understand how it works, how to measure its field
>> > > > strength, count its lines of force”
>> > > >
>> > > > But a more precise, deeper look by Oed reveals that the fairy tale
>> is
>> > not
>> > > > so easily understood.  The Tower is seemingly inescapable, because
>> it
>> > > > FOLLOWS HER, as in, “Wherever you go, There you are!”
>> > > >
>> > > > “ such a captive maiden [Oed] Soon realizes *the tower [is]* like
>> her
>> > > > ego, *only
>> > > > incidental*.”
>> > > >
>> > > > The tower, like her ego, are fictional, constructs, artificial
>> devices,
>> > > > which are symptoms of an invisible and ubiquitous “Magic, anonymous
>> and
>> > > > malignant, visited on her from outside and for no reason at all.”
>> > One’s
>> > > > Ego is an attempt to meditate a fatally wounded inner psyche with
>> the
>> > > > slave’s fate once finds thwarting the desires of the Id (Pynch was
>> > deeply
>> > > > into Freud at the time. It’s an ever-frustrating inescapable task.
>> > > >
>> > > > So there was no way that she could be rescued by a man.  The
>> > > Counter-magic
>> > > > escapes her right now. But that’s what she’s looking for on her
>> quest.
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