CoL49 group reading - Rapunzel musings

Wed May 22 01:50:16 UTC 2024

I guess you can give a nice sermon…
… if you like proclamations spun as literary commentary. A lot of that
stuff going around. Too bad only a little of that stuff goes a long way…

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 9:43 PM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Circles of consciousness, rather.
>
> Orbit, damn you!  Orbit!
>
> Lack of love of self certainly explains a few things, doesn't it.  Taste
> in men, sort of thing.  It is a reasonable assessment that the woman, bless
> her heart, would not see a prince in a human error who has a bust of a
> fraudster capitalist over his headboard, if she loved herself.  Or let
> lawyers rape her on cheap motel floors.
>
> Divine Love is a self-love.  The Master isn't going to set you free into
> the circulating fields of infinite consciousness, if you don't love
> yourself first.
>
> Of course the greatest of artists are conscious of what we call the
> unconscious.  Which is vital and alive and aware, superconscious, to say
> the least.  And of course connected.  Your unconscious is Aware, and
> attached to all others.  They communicate, make love.  Codified in the
> chromosomes, the genes, whatever, everything is an idea materialized.
>
> Again, the greatest artists are a bleeding through of prime reality.  You
> can do it too, you are just closed off at the moment.  This author, count
> on it.  It knows what is happening.
>
> Damn it, where is my Herodote, this shit isn't hard.  Consciousness forms
> matter.  Matter is a form of consciousness.  This system is just one of
> many with totally different rules that govern the blind.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 8:05 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if we have to know ourselves aright, to love ourselves rightly, then I
>>> see Oedipa, from the
>>> allusive name and her quest to be seeking self-knowledge even
>>> though---isn't it a condition
>>> of full self-awareness that you can't really realize what you are
>>> seeking?
>>
>>
>> “Realization” is another term for “Enlightenment” in Consciousness
>> Circles.  Many consider it a more-accurate term, because Enlightenment
>> sounds like a final point of total Consciousness possible. But realizations
>> can be extremely powerful and profound, but they are not end points. And
>> they are a multitude, not a single universal ultimate state.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 12:20 AM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Maybe she is lacking/searching for self-love, maybe without even
>>> realizing
>>> > it.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 18, 2024, 2:24 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Yes. This is pretty much  how I am reading Oed’s psychological
>>> terrain
>>> > > seen through the Rapunzel story.. My sense is that she can lo longer
>>> play
>>> > > the role of maiden saved by Prince because a) PI is 3/4ths asshole
>>> and b)
>>> > > he has not brought true escape but a realization about the deeper
>>> nature
>>> > of
>>> > > her entrapment.
>>> > >
>>> > > Her tower length hair as  genuine outgrowth of feminine identity is
>>> > > severed by that realization and what remains is no longer a
>>> sustainable
>>> > > connection to herself or  PI.
>>> > >
>>> > > > On May 18, 2024, at 9:17 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 5:00 AM Michael
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>
>>> > > > “Suppose that climbing the hair is the legitimate way to woo -
>>> dealing
>>> > > > directly with something that grows out of her, and entering her
>>> > > imprisoning
>>> > > > environment via Oedipa herself, whereupon they bond and escape that
>>> > > > environment. […]
>>> > > >
>>> > > > [***]Something[***] interferes with the fairytale”
>>> > > >
>>> > > > SOMETHING? It’s identities as:
>>> > > > “some sinister sorcery”
>>> > > > And:
>>> > > > “ having no apparatus except gut, fear and female, cunning to
>>> examine
>>> > the
>>> > > > formless magic, to understand how it works, how to measure its
>>> field
>>> > > > strength, count its lines of force”
>>> > > >
>>> > > > But a more precise, deeper look by Oed reveals that the fairy tale
>>> is
>>> > not
>>> > > > so easily understood.  The Tower is seemingly inescapable, because
>>> it
>>> > > > FOLLOWS HER, as in, “Wherever you go, There you are!”
>>> > > >
>>> > > > “ such a captive maiden [Oed] Soon realizes *the tower [is]* like
>>> her
>>> > > > ego, *only
>>> > > > incidental*.”
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The tower, like her ego, are fictional, constructs, artificial
>>> devices,
>>> > > > which are symptoms of an invisible and ubiquitous “Magic,
>>> anonymous and
>>> > > > malignant, visited on her from outside and for no reason at all.”
>>> > One’s
>>> > > > Ego is an attempt to meditate a fatally wounded inner psyche with
>>> the
>>> > > > slave’s fate once finds thwarting the desires of the Id (Pynch was
>>> > deeply
>>> > > > into Freud at the time. It’s an ever-frustrating inescapable task.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > So there was no way that she could be rescued by a man.  The
>>> > > Counter-magic
>>> > > > escapes her right now. But that’s what she’s looking for on her
>>> quest.
>>> > > > --
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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