Shadow Ticket: an assumption

[Mark Kohut]

I have read much too......not the way you USE them in my opinion.

On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 10:10 AM J Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> You, Mr Kohut, are the prime example of no effect. You are the same as
> when you first came on the list- unable to follow through on any reading;
> stuck in the same patriotic conformist nonsense as always, unable to see
> large patterns, your reaction to thoughts you don’t agree with are
> insults.  After having read quite a few pieces of scholastic Pynchon
> writing and studied his books with other groups, I know that my ideas are
> very similar to many other readers.
>
> On May 5, 2025, at 4:46 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I stopped reading after reading that Pynchon had little effect on people
> on this list.....as well as the culture, which shows you
> are not reliable to speak about either, as has been evident to me
> forever.....Pynchon changed my life and I have had a miniscule effect on
> others
> and within 'the cultire" if that counts as a refutation. ( Which I know it
> won't for you)....
>
> And the saddest thing for me is that Pynchon had no effect
> at all on your critical thinking....
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 3:13 PM J Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> I wonder what difference any of these books make. They profoundly
>> affected my thinking, but I see little impact on the culture or people on
>> the list.  Trump is a  symptom of a  fascistic trend in a  celebrity
>> obsessed  culture toward a police state society managed by criminal cartels
>> competing for the role of macho super-hero savior.  Thie players include
>> but are  not limited to the 2 major parties,  the MIC,  and  Israel who,
>> together, control the US media and Congress to the point where a large
>> scale genocide is being conducted  and made observable on video with full
>> US government support against the will of US citizens. We also watch as  an
>> ecological catastrophe is being ignored by a world civilization addicted to
>> unsustainable extractive economies, and repetitive entertainments.  Science
>> and the US Constitution  have been shredded by propaganda and both
>> parties.
>>
>> Gravity’s Rainbow made multiple layers of comparisons between German
>> Industrial scale Imperialism and Western Industrial scale systems of
>> Imperial control.  It was not flattering to either side of the war, a war
>> portrayed as a competition among markets. ATD, M&D  and V took the themes
>> and comparisons back to their modern-world origins. Throughout his writing
>> there are occasional heroic , but ineffective counterforces as there
>> certainly have been but the trend is a steady loss of human freedom,
>> compassion, and peaceable self governance .  The individual in this body of
>> work can join one of the flag -waving  war machines or drop out, but the
>> ways to drop out or assemble resistance shrinks as the mechanisms of
>> control and the propaganda of salvation through personal success insures
>> compliance or persecution as the only real options.  By the time we get to
>> BE there is nothing left to resistance but personal self-defense and going
>> silent when you know enough to be dangerous.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 4, 2025, at 10:15 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello all
>> >
>> > I was wondering this Sunday morning as I read the continuing grim news
>> > emanating out of the present US administration: would we have a new
>> novel,
>> > which I believe will be Pynchon's last (more below) if not for the roads
>> > the US took since 2016. Yes, recent events have always influenced
>> Pynchon's
>> > writing, but seems to me, without the swift turn for the worse globally,
>> > would he had written another book? BE seemed to be a fine capstone
>> warning
>> > of the dangers of tech and how that has led us to where we are. and
>> then DT
>> > comes along.
>> > So, I think this may be his last book because Pynchon had scraped the
>> > barrel, flushed out all the things he had obsessed over, over many
>> years to
>> > publish two massive books, M&D and AtD, followed by what I call
>> Pynchon's
>> > late phase, two 'personal works' wrapped around the PI detective noir
>> frame.
>> > ST seems to suggest using the frame of the last two books, but within a
>> > 'framework' found in his earlier work, but at a smaller scale. Now, I'm
>> not
>> > saying specifically DT was the main cause we have a new book, but
>> without
>> > all the craziness of the last decade, maybe Pynchon felt emboldened to
>> have
>> > one last say.
>> >
>> > just a thought
>> > rich
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