GRGR (2) "great bright hand"

[Paul Mackin]

In an admittedly trivial sense the probabilistic model of Salvation holds up in
P if not in the wider world.  Excluding Father Faring's heretical view that
"They" may not die, the probability for Salvation  in GR is .00. (equating
Salvation with life everlasting)

I think I'm remembering Father Faring correctly but maybe not.

Anyway P seems to be a combination of utter determinability and utter
indeterminability, n'est-ce pas?

                                                    P.

MalignD at aol.com wrote:

> mwaia:
>
> <<Isn't P's crochet the concept of Preterition?  That the Elect and the
> Damned are not statistically determined but fore-ordained on an individual
> basis?  It seems that a good Calvinist would say that there is "very little
> room for hope", indeed, for anyone who is not a Calvinist Christian.  It
> seems to humble heretical me that this runs counter to the whole concept of a
> Final Judgement. It would seem one's love of Christ is not so much to be
> weighed and rewarded, but that one's label (tattooed on your forearm at the
> Inception of time) is to be read out at the last....>>
>
> One can clearly push the wobbly statistical analogy too far (says he who
> raised it).  For the Calvinist, the Elect and Damned are not statistically
> determined; that's true.  The nub issue in Calvinist thought is that one may
> not imagine a limit to the knowledge of God.  It can't be the case that God
> live in a state of unknowing re the fate of humanity or of individual humans.
>  Thus, HE knows who's going to fuck up, and how, right out of the chute.  The
> problem for the theologian who finds this persuasive is squaring it with
> notions of free will.  For the would-be believer, hopelessness and pessimism
> are lurking bugbears.