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[David &/or Jane]

rwilson:
>this is called the "many
>universes hypothesis".
>
>(then there's kaluza-klein theory and supersymmetry
>but we won't go there...)

>so in the copenhagen universe, free-will exists and
>nobody will  get elected until the final measurement
>of grace has   been taken.
>
>in the many-universes universe of universes, karma is
>fixed  - so the elect and the preterite are pre-destined.
>however since all possible destinies are reallized, everyone
>who goes to hell also goes to heaven, though the yo(u)-yo(u)
>will only get to experience one of them. 

This contruct does it ALL!  Every one's a winner!  Everyone's a loser...  I
love it!

But back to the Determinate's God:
Start with a singular Moral Omnipotent & Omnicient God (MO&OG) who has
constructed a formula for salvation, a way by which those damned may cross
over into the realm of those saved.  A central problem here would be the
existence of evil, which an MO&OG God would have to be allowing to exist,
actually would have to have purposefully created to be so.  Equally
problematic would be the existence of a Preterite, also ultimately of his
creation.  Perhaps He has created a stage, an arena for us to perfom for
his pleasure.  A moral God would have to make the formula for salvation in
this arena so easy and so obvious that NO ONE could miss it.  But, if he
were truly MO&OG, our needing salvation could not be possible.

Perhaps He exists, but is not moral.  Then maybe His salvation is the last
thing you'd want.
David