Karma my ass!

[Paul Mackin]

My question is how can grownups (which all p-listers are and some many times
over) can treat this Dougian karma doodoo with such seriousness.

        P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <KXX4493553 at aol.com>
To: <quail at libyrinth.com>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Karma my ass!


> In einer eMail vom 01.12.01 19:58:40 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
> quail at libyrinth.com:
>
> >
> >  >America must have an enormous karmic debt to pay. Let's just pay it
and
> >  >learn our lessons.
> >
> >  >I'm not the pervert who linked "karmic" and "debt" together.
> >  >Actually, I stole it from Gary Zukav. I think they go together well.
> >  >And I stand behind my statement.  Sorry if you find it insensitive,
> >  >but I believe America does have a karmic debt to pay.
> >
> >  I was actually hoping you would just sort of quietly disown that
> >  statement, which I find the single most offensive thing stated on the
> >  P-List since September 11. The very fact that you would use a
> >  religious/philosophical concept pulled from Buddhism to *justify* the
> >  death of thousands of multinational non-combatants is appalling to me
> >  in the extreme. And lets not mince words -- you *are* justifying it.
>
> I agree with "Quail" in this point. I can remember that some years ago a
> German "buddhist" was speculating in tv that the Holocaust was the result
of
> the "karmic debt of the Jews". This is complete bullshit, and I as a
> "leftist" in your eyes (I see big differences in the attitude towards
> "leftism" in the American and in the European public) would never accept
such
> a thinking in "left" groups here.
> BTW, the "peace movement" here isn't much a left thing. It's much more
> ideologically diffuse and influenced by several political directions.
>
> But: mistrust your government whereever you hear their political
statements!
> The same with the official media. Just read an interview with a former
> secretary of state during the Helmut Schmidt government here, in the
> seventies and the early eighties, a social democrat. He mistrusts the
> official versions of 9/11 until today. Too many open questions are still
> unanswered. But the main question is: do we need "super powers" any
longer?
> It doesn't matter for me if this "super power" is called USA, Russia,
China
> or whatever. And I must laugh about my government: in a newspaper (taz)
which
> has a lot of sympathies with the German Green Party I had to read today
that
> it would be good if German peace-keeping troops were sent to Afghanistan
> because the Afghans traditionally have "good relations" to the Germans and
> the Germans would have no interests in Central Asia! Harhar! A good joke!
> This newspaper - the taz - was formerly - let's say fifteen years ago -
the
> most well-known left-radical newspaper in Germany. Formerly they made
> campaigns like "weapons for El Salvador" to support the Guerilla there,
and
> now they want to make Joschka Fischer to an "elder statesman" and peace
> angle.
> This world is only a bitter and a bad joke.
>
> Kurt-Werner Pörtner
>
>