Karma my ass!

[Phil Wise]

Same kiddie impulse that leads grownups (some many times over) into periodic
rounds of baiting and name calling, perhaps?

phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mackin" <paul.mackin at verizon.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Karma my ass!


> My question is how can grownups (which all p-listers are and some many
times
> over) can treat this Dougian karma doodoo with such seriousness.
>
>         P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KXX4493553 at aol.com>
> To: <quail at libyrinth.com>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Karma my ass!
>
>
> > In einer eMail vom 01.12.01 19:58:40 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit
schreibt
> > quail at libyrinth.com:
> >
> > >
> > >  >America must have an enormous karmic debt to pay. Let's just pay it
> and
> > >  >learn our lessons.
> > >
> > >  >I'm not the pervert who linked "karmic" and "debt" together.
> > >  >Actually, I stole it from Gary Zukav. I think they go together well.
> > >  >And I stand behind my statement.  Sorry if you find it insensitive,
> > >  >but I believe America does have a karmic debt to pay.
> > >
> > >  I was actually hoping you would just sort of quietly disown that
> > >  statement, which I find the single most offensive thing stated on the
> > >  P-List since September 11. The very fact that you would use a
> > >  religious/philosophical concept pulled from Buddhism to *justify* the
> > >  death of thousands of multinational non-combatants is appalling to me
> > >  in the extreme. And lets not mince words -- you *are* justifying it.
> >
> > I agree with "Quail" in this point. I can remember that some years ago a
> > German "buddhist" was speculating in tv that the Holocaust was the
result
> of
> > the "karmic debt of the Jews". This is complete bullshit, and I as a
> > "leftist" in your eyes (I see big differences in the attitude towards
> > "leftism" in the American and in the European public) would never accept
> such
> > a thinking in "left" groups here.
> > BTW, the "peace movement" here isn't much a left thing. It's much more
> > ideologically diffuse and influenced by several political directions.
> >
> > But: mistrust your government whereever you hear their political
> statements!
> > The same with the official media. Just read an interview with a former
> > secretary of state during the Helmut Schmidt government here, in the
> > seventies and the early eighties, a social democrat. He mistrusts the
> > official versions of 9/11 until today. Too many open questions are still
> > unanswered. But the main question is: do we need "super powers" any
> longer?
> > It doesn't matter for me if this "super power" is called USA, Russia,
> China
> > or whatever. And I must laugh about my government: in a newspaper (taz)
> which
> > has a lot of sympathies with the German Green Party I had to read today
> that
> > it would be good if German peace-keeping troops were sent to Afghanistan
> > because the Afghans traditionally have "good relations" to the Germans
and
> > the Germans would have no interests in Central Asia! Harhar! A good
joke!
> > This newspaper - the taz - was formerly - let's say fifteen years ago -
> the
> > most well-known left-radical newspaper in Germany. Formerly they made
> > campaigns like "weapons for El Salvador" to support the Guerilla there,
> and
> > now they want to make Joschka Fischer to an "elder statesman" and peace
> > angle.
> > This world is only a bitter and a bad joke.
> >
> > Kurt-Werner Pörtner
> >
> >
>
>