GR evoking the Vietnam War?
Paul Mackin
paul.mackin at verizon.net
Thu May 22 12:44:51 CDT 2003
On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 12:52, Dave Monroe wrote:
> Okay ...
>
> --- s~Z <keithsz at concentric.net> wrote:
> >
> > I do think you are missing what terrance is doing.
>
> This is hardly a difficult thing to do. Terrance can
> be elusively allusive. "Accusations" here? Surely
> not ...
>
> > Not much but it is mentioned directly. And I do not
> > attribute my associations with Pynchon. I think they
> > are my playful and entertaining associations. My
> > additions all the way.
>
> No, I think you're entirely right there, and I'd even
> bet there's a case to be made for Pynchon having read
> Frances Yates' The Rosicrucian Enlightenment. Only
> place I found that peculiar use of "enthusiast," for
> example. Much else of resonance, though I can't calim
> to have done a hard-target search yet. But published
> in 1972, ca. TRP wrapping up GR, starting in on M&D.
> Very good call on yr part ...
>
> > I find these accusations about how those who differ
> > are just being obstinate because we can't see the
> > obviosity of your position are pretty lame.
>
> No, my "accusation," such as it was, was that y'all
> can quite easily see just how easy it is to make the
> same reading Paul and Otto and Doug and I roughly
> share (vs. the one y'all and we all rather more
> roughly DON'T share ...).
If y'all don't see what is so easy to see, w'all have ways to make it
easier for y'all.
P.
> How reasonable, perhaps,
> even. You don't have to have made it yrself for it to
> be eminently possible. Indeed, by now we all seem to
> be able to make each other's readings avant la lettre,
> to argue in advance of an expected argument ...
>
> Robert and Doug's motivations, in particular, I
> believe are roughly (in more than one sense of the
> word ...) the same here, even. On the one hand,
> political, and on the other, personal. And not even
> in that "the personal IS the political" sense, per se.
> They've agreed to disagree neither by choice nor by
> default, but by obstinacy. Now here's where they
> agree to disagree with me ... but y'all jumped into
> this in long predicatble fashion, along long
> predictable lines. Yr intervention here was a bit of
> a surprise, but mostly because of the unusual extent
> of it. Good to see you as a full-on participant ...
>
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