GR evoking the Vietnam War?

Paul Mackin paul.mackin at verizon.net
Thu May 22 12:44:51 CDT 2003


On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 12:52, Dave Monroe wrote:
> Okay ...
> 
> --- s~Z <keithsz at concentric.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I do think you are missing what terrance is doing.
> 
> This is hardly a difficult thing to do.  Terrance can
> be elusively allusive.  "Accusations" here?  Surely
> not ...
> 
> > Not much but it is mentioned directly. And I do not
> > attribute my associations with Pynchon. I think they
> > are my playful and entertaining associations. My
> > additions all the way.
> 
> No, I think you're entirely right there, and I'd even
> bet there's a case to be made for Pynchon having read
> Frances Yates' The Rosicrucian Enlightenment.  Only
> place I found that peculiar use of "enthusiast," for
> example.  Much else of resonance, though I can't calim
> to have done a hard-target search yet.  But published
> in 1972, ca. TRP wrapping up GR, starting in on M&D. 
> Very good call on yr part ...
>  
> > I find these accusations about how those who differ
> > are just being obstinate because we can't see the
> > obviosity of your position are pretty lame.
> 
> No, my "accusation," such as it was, was that y'all
> can quite easily see just how easy it is to make the
> same reading Paul and Otto and Doug and I roughly
> share (vs. the one y'all and we all rather more
> roughly DON'T share ...). 


If y'all don't see what is so easy to see, w'all have ways to make it
easier for y'all.

P.




>  How reasonable, perhaps,
> even.  You don't have to have made it yrself for it to
> be eminently possible.  Indeed, by now we all seem to
> be able to make each other's readings avant la lettre,
> to argue in advance of an expected argument ...
> 
> Robert and Doug's motivations, in particular, I
> believe are roughly (in more than one sense of the
> word ...) the same here, even.  On the one hand,
> political, and on the other, personal.  And not even
> in that "the personal IS the political" sense, per se.
>  They've agreed to disagree neither by choice nor by
> default, but by obstinacy.  Now here's where they
> agree to disagree with me ... but y'all jumped into
> this in long predicatble fashion, along long
> predictable lines.  Yr intervention here was a bit of
> a surprise, but mostly because of the unusual extent
> of it.  Good to see you as a full-on participant ...
> 
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