ATD SPOILER p 262-269

[John Pendergast]

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Is it possible Pynchon is using Lake (and using her he certainly is) to 
suggest that their revenge is misplaced, a relic of an older, now antiquated 
way of doing things? As the novel continues (spoiler break)






the motivations for revenge peter out, lose momentum, and finally get lost 
in the larger issues of the novel's world. In this reading (granted, just an 
initial one, based on one far from satisfactory reading), Lake is the hero 
of the bunch in the sense that she does not waste time pursuing "pagan" wild 
justice, as Bacon called revenge somewhere, in one of his essays that I 
think is about to become important to all of us. I'll get back to you on 
this.

jp

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gp" <wescac at gmail.com>
To: "pynchonoid" <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
Cc: <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>; "Pynchon-L" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: ATD SPOILER p 262-269


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> Frankly - don't you get the feeling that Pynchon meant Lake "deserved"
> it in a way for shacking up with the guy who killed her dad?  She was
> totally debased and suggesting that the two guys do each other is
> really nothing compared to what they do to her.  Like a sort of
> obscene retribution that perhaps ghost-Webb helped conspire?
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> On 12/4/06, pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > > Sheer speculation (perhaps dangerous in this
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>> > > but I wonder if Pynchon's niece had any influence
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>> > > Reminds me of Frenesi and Brock in Vineland, but
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>> > What I wonder, in revolving over the four corners in
>> > four corners, is  this sequence related, in any way
>> > to the occult overtones of the Brigidier Pudding sex
>> > scene, and Geli Tripping's A. E. Waite spell/orgasm
>> > in GR? Some how, the summonimg of directions
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>> > later on in the book with similar resonances.
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>> I don't doubt that Pynchon has layered all kinds of
>> stuff on this scene, and would follow the path you
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