NP; looks like the Dem Primary is kinda like Iceland Sparring.....

[kelber at mindspring.com]

Surprise, surprise.  The men on the list are more likely to support Obama, while we women are more likely to support Hillary.

Sure, Obama's got the black vote and the affluent liberal vote sewn up.  So did Gore and Kerry.  But he showed last night that he couldn't win over white working class and Hispanic voters (neither could Gore or Kerry).  Hillary has the best chance of winning over these crucial voters during the general election.  There's a lot of noise about the Indy and liberal Republican men who plan to vote for Obama (or who at least say they'll vote for him).  They may think differently when the Rove machine starts screeching (incorrectly) about what a commie liberal Obama is.  In the privacy of the voting booth, these so-called Republican swing voters are likely to vote for McCain.

Obviously, there's been a whole Hillary-bashing industry and religion going strong for 15 years.  Yet in the midst of this virulence, Hillary was able to win over the Republican voters of upstate NY.  She ran for re-election virtually unopposed among these people.  She did this by doing her homework -- visiting their small towns again and again and trying to deliver on modest promises where she could.  In addition, the gender gap is plenty strong among Republicans and for every Republican man who says he'll vote for Obama there's a Republican woman who actually will vote for Hillary.

The gender gap among progressive white men and women is disturbing to me (for example, the Seattle city council couldn't endorse a candidate because they were evenly split: women for Hillary, men for Obama.  It would be nice if some of the progressive men would do some soul-searching about why this gap exists.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>

>
>Spin, spin, spin...
>
>Jill,
>
>The only question that counts in the bigger picture (PLEASE try to
>remember the BIGGER PICTURE) is who can beat McCain, or more finely,
>who is STRONGER against McCain in the run for the US Presidency.
>That was the question Otto asked and the question Henry  addressed.
>You may not agree w/ Henry's analysis re. electability, but at least
>address the right question.  If you ignore that question you might as
>well back Nader, the ultimate hair-splitter.
>
>David Morris
>
>On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:09 AM, grladams at teleport.com
><grladams at teleport.com> wrote:
>> Count me out... Please vote for Hillary. If that is what a few people are doing on the plist then I'll have to even up the odds. Check this out for a summation of Obama.
>>
>> http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413
>> -----------------
>> From: Henry scuffling at gmail.com
>> Hillary C has absolutely no chance against the former P.O.W.  She's not a polarizer, she's a unifier; she'd bring out the fire of the Republican vote and unite them against her.  I know a few Republicans who are to the right of George W, and they've hated Hillary since she was first lady.
>>
>> If you can still vote in an American primary, please vote for Barak Obama.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Otto
>>
>> who's gonna make it, Hillary or Barak, and who's got a chance against McCain?