I Love NY

[Paul Mackin]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: I Love NY


> I, for one, pretty consistently hate and avoid  poems about poetry,  and 
> books about writers.  I think Roth, Updike and Bellow are best  when they 
> avoid this.  Of all ,I like Roth best when young and  funny.  Find the 
> whole Jewish integration into America thing of  Bellow Roth Mailer to be 
> of only slight interest after which it is  infinitely boring and very hard 
> to accept as valid on the same level  as racial issues or the persecution 
> of Jews in Europe, or Irish by  English, native Americans  etc. .  I 
> actually think the whole anglo  Jewish east coast/NYC boys club of serious 
> authors is a pure product  of magazine hype rather than  actual great or 
> influential writing.   So, whatever is wrong with me is probably 
> permanent.

Personal taste is all.

Maybe you're just tougher than the rest. Or some of the rest.

Not turning away from suffering is something some people are better at than 
others.

Might explain affinity for life at the raw edges in your reading 
preferences.

Rather than the intellectualism New York writers are known for.

Woody Allen variety of suffering.

P.

> On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Paul Mackin wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Musikar"  <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> To: "Pynchon Liste" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:31 AM
>> Subject: I Love NY
>>
>>
>>> Pynchon may be from Glen Cove, and has lived in NYC for a while  now, 
>>> but
>>> he's still a visitor from warmer climes.  Is this because of his
>>> particularly WASP and peculiarly non-public experience?  His NY  theater
>>> section in ATD was through the eyes of a girl from the mid-west.   On 
>>> the
>>> other hand, Philip Roth who, though from across the river,  apparently 
>>> loved
>>> and courted New York, but left "the city" for greener fields, like  me, 
>>> but
>>> still has always has been and will remain, like me, a New Yorker:
>>>
>>> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/the-mayor-and-the- 
>>> philip-roth-q
>>> uote/
>>> "The upheaval of New York had taken little more than a week. There  is 
>>> no
>>> more worldly in-the-world place than New York, full of all those  people 
>>> on
>>> their cellphones going to restaurants, having affairs, getting  jobs, 
>>> reading
>>> the news, being consumed with political emotion, and I'd thought  to 
>>> come
>>> back in from where I'd been, to resume residence there reembodied,  to 
>>> take
>>> on all the things I'd decided to relinquish - love, desire, quarrels,
>>> professional conflict, the whole messy legacy of the past - and 
>>> instead, as
>>> in a speeded-up old movie, I passed through for the briefest  moment, 
>>> only to
>>> pull out to come back here."
>>> http://tinyurl.com/exit-ghost
>>>
>>> Is OBA's not having written a book set in the era in which it is 
>>> written
>>> because they take to long to write to ever be current, or perhaps  due 
>>> to not
>>> being fully engaged with the tumultuous surroundings of the city  that 
>>> he has
>>> chosen as his home?
>>>
>>
>> Isn't it that he is not an autobiographical type writer as is Roth?
>>
>> Doesn't write about things he has experienced directly but  rather 
>> relies on a lot of research.
>>
>> Some direct experience went into V.
>>
>> Probably less so in VL. He was already over 30 in 1968.
>>
>> By now of course he has lived in Manhattan long enough to longer be 
>> considered a tourist.
>>
>> Would stand in good stead for writing a pretty authentic novel  about the 
>> life of an aging literary icon on the Upper East Side.l
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>>
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