IVIV (13) scene one question

[Mark Kohut]

Those connections you are always refinding...........great stuff 

AND look at the line about '"the story traverses a map of some moral intricacy"............

If that line CANNOT be applied to the Very Traverses themselves in the
book about them.........................!!!????

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: IVIV (13) scene one question
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:48 PM
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Michael
> Bailey wrote:
> 
> > John Bailey wrote:
> >> Mark quoted:
> >> 
> >> Maybe Doc's self-justification makes moral sense
> in the world of IV,
> >> but IV's just a cartoony fiction itself so we
> shouldn't go furiously
> >> killing baddies and use it as our ethical
> defence.
> >> 
> > 
> > otoh, Eliot mentions the hot gates, (wasn't that also
> what that
> > movie 300 was about? a-and the satire "Meet the
> Spartans"...)
> > and seems to have genuine respect for the martial
> defense of
> > democracy against empire.  And the emotions it
> engenders.
> > "resisting authority, subduing hired guns, defending
> your old lady's honor
> > all amounted to the same thing"
> > 
> > In fact, Inherent Vice could be construed as setting
> up an elaborate
> > hypothetical
> > case in which these emotions could be justified. 
> (with limiting
> > factors built in,
> > such as self-defense and unrepentant evil)
> 
> Or Pynchon could simply be writing a "Psychedelic Noir" and
> does his level best to respect the conventions of the genre.
> After all—the P.I. is one of the archetypical "Badasses"
> that Pynchon repeatedly pays homage to—notably in his
> introduction to Jim Dodge's "Stone Junction":
> 
>     . . .Through all this meanwhile runs a
> second plotline -- a
>     whodunit, in which Daniel must solve the
> uncompromisingly
>     earthly question of who murdered his
> mother, Annalee Pearce,
>     in an alleyway in Livermore, California
> when he was fourteen,
>     complete with multiple suspects, false
> trails, the identity of the
>     killer not revealed till the final
> pages. The story traverses a map
>     of some moral intricacy, sure-footed as
> Chandler, providing
>     twists as elegant as Agatha Christie, as
> all the while Daniel's
>     education proceeds. . .
> 
> http://www.themodernword.com/Pynchon/pynchon_essays_stone.html
> 
> and in the essay: Is It O.K. To Be A Luddite?—
> 
>     . . .There is a long folk history of
> this figure, the Badass. He is
>     usually male, and while sometimes
> earning the quizzical
>     tolerance of women, is almost
> universally admired by men for
>     two basic virtues: he is Bad, and he is
> Big. Bad meaning not
>     morally evil, necessarily, more like
> able to work mischief on a
>     large scale. What is important here is
> the amplifying of scale,
>     the multiplication of effect. . .
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html?_r=1
>