IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277

[Mark Kohut]

You are simply missing the humor and mutual understandings they have.

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:25 PM
> The conversation begins with two
> Junior G-Persons talking about what
> one gets out of exploiting the other. The answer the text
> provides,
> not only in this scene or for these two alone but for
> professionals
> who step on one another to get a better footing on the
> late-capitalist
> ladder is, meaningless perquisites and petty comforts, not
> to mention
> the envy of those who are a few rungs below. Penny sez,
> "Maybe you
> don't want to know." Tannan (not the great literary critic
> but the
> great linguist who has written several books on discourse
> at the work
> place and conversations between males and females) would
> argue that
> Larry is not listening to what Penny is saying. She is
> saying, "Do you
> want to know?"  But Larry doesn't listen. To make
> matters worse, he
> does what males usually do in such conversations, he treats
> her
> discourse like a problem or puzzle to be solved" "Let me
> guess ..."
> and of course his conjecture and, to make matters worse,
> his solution,
> is not communication or support. Larry steps on her lines.
> Realizing
> that she is not in a conversation between to G-Persons, she
> lets him
> cannonball into the empty pool. She gets what she wants by
> pretending
> to engage in discourse. Larry thinks she needs protection;
> she's in a
> bind. She is, after all, a woman. But she is clever. She
> knows what
> she wants. She knows how to gets what she wants. Poor
> Larry. If he
> would only listen he might understand women and how they
> use language,
> but he 's a knight on a quest.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > alice writes:
> >> We can't be sure that Penny is in a
> >> pinch. Larry is reading her
> >> wrinkles and earings here but she doesn't say
> enough to
> >> support the
> >> claim that she is being squeezed.
> >
> > Nah, you missed this, Alice...when he stated the truth
> is when
> > she touched his hand. Tenderly......she was understood
> without words......
> > what could lead to love, but won't.
> >
> >
> > In fact, since Larry
> >> doesn't let her
> >> finish her statements, and because he assumes the,
> "I'll
> >> protect you
> >> position" here, I read it as Larry's misreading
> her yet
> >> again. Larry
> >> doesn't seem to understand that,  As modern
> Hamlet
> >> sez, "Ambition, thy
> >> name is woman."
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > p. 277 a classic PI novel scene wherein the
> PI and
> >> > an insider dialogue it out over information.
> I say
> >> decently done
> >> >
> >> > as Doc tries to find out why the Feds were in
> Vegas
> >> and, showing
> >> > his cynical smartness, asks Penny what she is
> getting
> >> out of it
> >> > and already knows They have something on her,
> she
> >> wasn't wanting
> >> > something from them. So, her betrayal was not
> just
> >> malignancy but
> >> > some kind of self-protection.
> >> >
> >> > p 277 Penny: a 'world of heartache' does seem
> to echo
> >> 'world of
> >> > pain' from Lebowski, yes? Or just a general
> way of
> >> expression?
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