IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277

[Mark Kohut]

OR, we have very different readings, let's say...........

Others have a reading, observations, on the Larry and Penny exchanges here?

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277
> To: "alice wellintown" <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:38 PM
> You are simply missing the humor and
> mutual understandings they have.
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:25 PM
> > The conversation begins with two
> > Junior G-Persons talking about what
> > one gets out of exploiting the other. The answer the
> text
> > provides,
> > not only in this scene or for these two alone but for
> > professionals
> > who step on one another to get a better footing on
> the
> > late-capitalist
> > ladder is, meaningless perquisites and petty comforts,
> not
> > to mention
> > the envy of those who are a few rungs below. Penny
> sez,
> > "Maybe you
> > don't want to know." Tannan (not the great literary
> critic
> > but the
> > great linguist who has written several books on
> discourse
> > at the work
> > place and conversations between males and females)
> would
> > argue that
> > Larry is not listening to what Penny is saying. She
> is
> > saying, "Do you
> > want to know?"  But Larry doesn't listen. To make
> > matters worse, he
> > does what males usually do in such conversations, he
> treats
> > her
> > discourse like a problem or puzzle to be solved" "Let
> me
> > guess ..."
> > and of course his conjecture and, to make matters
> worse,
> > his solution,
> > is not communication or support. Larry steps on her
> lines.
> > Realizing
> > that she is not in a conversation between to
> G-Persons, she
> > lets him
> > cannonball into the empty pool. She gets what she
> wants by
> > pretending
> > to engage in discourse. Larry thinks she needs
> protection;
> > she's in a
> > bind. She is, after all, a woman. But she is clever.
> She
> > knows what
> > she wants. She knows how to gets what she wants. Poor
> > Larry. If he
> > would only listen he might understand women and how
> they
> > use language,
> > but he 's a knight on a quest.
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > alice writes:
> > >> We can't be sure that Penny is in a
> > >> pinch. Larry is reading her
> > >> wrinkles and earings here but she doesn't
> say
> > enough to
> > >> support the
> > >> claim that she is being squeezed.
> > >
> > > Nah, you missed this, Alice...when he stated the
> truth
> > is when
> > > she touched his hand. Tenderly......she was
> understood
> > without words......
> > > what could lead to love, but won't.
> > >
> > >
> > > In fact, since Larry
> > >> doesn't let her
> > >> finish her statements, and because he assumes
> the,
> > "I'll
> > >> protect you
> > >> position" here, I read it as Larry's
> misreading
> > her yet
> > >> again. Larry
> > >> doesn't seem to understand that,  As modern
> > Hamlet
> > >> sez, "Ambition, thy
> > >> name is woman."
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Mark Kohut
> <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > p. 277 a classic PI novel scene wherein
> the
> > PI and
> > >> > an insider dialogue it out over
> information.
> > I say
> > >> decently done
> > >> >
> > >> > as Doc tries to find out why the Feds
> were in
> > Vegas
> > >> and, showing
> > >> > his cynical smartness, asks Penny what
> she is
> > getting
> > >> out of it
> > >> > and already knows They have something on
> her,
> > she
> > >> wasn't wanting
> > >> > something from them. So, her betrayal
> was not
> > just
> > >> malignancy but
> > >> > some kind of self-protection.
> > >> >
> > >> > p 277 Penny: a 'world of heartache' does
> seem
> > to echo
> > >> 'world of
> > >> > pain' from Lebowski, yes? Or just a
> general
> > way of
> > >> expression?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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