Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré

[alice wellintown]

Buchan to "Bond, James Bond"

http://www.todayinliterature.com/today.asp?Search_Date=8/26/2010


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:40 AM,  <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
> To complicate things further...
> Communist writer behind 'Neo-fascist gangster' Bond.
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dda21586-b084-11df-8c04-00144feabdc0.html
>
> Files given by MI5 to the archives reveal how Wolf Mankowitz, a prominent
> British screenwriter who helped script Dr No andCasino Royale, was monitored
> by intelligence officers for more than a decade on suspicion of being a
> real-life communist agent
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>
> fwiw I'd rather read the Flashman stories about the great game than
> against the day. its alot funnier
> so there
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Le Carre's novels are often about how espionage chews people up and spits
>> them out.  Fleming's novels are adolescent wish-fulfillment.  I have
>> enjoyed
>> them both, but it should be no secret why Le Carre dislikes Bond -- it's
>> the
>> antithesis of what he's devoted himself to.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:29 PM, <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, pardon  my "conflated" lines. I wonder why you bothered to sketch an
>>> answer though. No need for it really.
>>> Yet, to get back to my point, you still avoid to answer my dilemma.
>>> Perhaps you are incapable of doing so.
>>>
>>> you wrote:
>>>
>>> >as Bond was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>>>
>>> As Le Carre clearly associates Bond with 'gangsterism', I still wonder if
>>> you think that gangsterism, as long as is fighting 'totalitarians', is,
>>> according to you morally acceptable. It seems it is, I dare say, as you
>>> indirectly applaud 'gangster' Bond for his anti-totalitarian stance. Yet
>>> you
>>> seem to be at loss when it comes to justify the rationale behind it. I am
>>> not responsible for your muddled thoughts so the cheap trick of
>>> insinuating
>>> I am calling you names is really a puerile diversion. It does not amount
>>> to
>>> an answer.
>>>
>>> Personally I think that 'gangsterism' and totalitarianism are closely
>>> related. So, how can you fight something/someone that is closely related
>>> to
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Unless it is a fratricide-like fight. Quite absurd. That is why Bond is
>>> in
>>> many respects an absurd, lifeless, counterfeited, artificial character.
>>>
>>> No wonder LeCarre dislikes him so intensely and rightly so.
>>>
>>> Anyway...
>>>
>>> > James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré - Telegraph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>>> To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 4:18 pm
>>> Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>>>
>>> Your name-calling crazy-talk conflation barely deserves an answer.
>>> How can you read Pynchon and not appreciate the nuances of appropriate
>>> actions.
>>>
>>> AsB4,
>>> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>>> Henry Mu
>>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, <mfarcas at mail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
>>>
>>> according to you, acceptable!
>>> >
>>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>>>
>>> > was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Alright then. So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians"
>>> > is,
>>> according to you, acceptable!
>>> >
>>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> > M. Farcas <mfarcas at mail.com>
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >
>>> > From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>>> > Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:48 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, but calling someone a fascist when they're just being bossy is
>>> > rather juvenile.  I assume that Le Carre meant fascist in the
>>> > totalitation sense, in which case I disagree with him, as Bond was
>>> > pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>>> >
>>> > AsB4,
>>> > ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>>> > Henry Mu
>>> > http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>When you think about it, why does Bond need to specify "not stirred"
>>> > >
>>> > > when he's already asked for his martini to be shaken.  What a
>>> > > fascist!
>>> >
>>> > > True! It is this obsolete and absurd Bond pedantry-cum-cruelty/faux
>>> > > perfectionism (which is a hallmark of Fascism/Neo Nazism) that pisses
>>> > > me
>>> > > off.
>>> > >
>>> > > And the choice of actors (more and more macho-agressive lately, think
>>> > > Daniel
>>> > > Craig and his frozen mask-like facial muscles) fits the tableau.
>>> > >
>>> > > There is something of a steely, helmet wearing Wermacht soldier about
>>> > > DC in
>>> > > spite of the actor wearing civilian clothes.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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