Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré

[mfarcas at mail.com]

To complicate things further...


Communist writer behind 'Neo-fascist gangster' Bond.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dda21586-b084-11df-8c04-00144feabdc0.html


Files given by MI5 to the archives reveal how Wolf Mankowitz, a prominent British screenwriter who helped script Dr No andCasino Royale, was monitored by intelligence officers for more than a decade on suspicion of being a real-life communist agent


-----Original Message-----
From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré


fwiw I'd rather read the Flashman stories about the great game than
against the day. its alot funnier

so there

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Le Carre's novels are often about how espionage chews people up and spits
> them out.  Fleming's novels are adolescent wish-fulfillment.  I have enjoyed
> them both, but it should be no secret why Le Carre dislikes Bond -- it's the
> antithesis of what he's devoted himself to.
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:29 PM, <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> OK, pardon  my "conflated" lines. I wonder why you bothered to sketch an
>> answer though. No need for it really.
>> Yet, to get back to my point, you still avoid to answer my dilemma.
>> Perhaps you are incapable of doing so.
>>
>> you wrote:
>>
>> >as Bond was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>>
>> As Le Carre clearly associates Bond with 'gangsterism', I still wonder if
>> you think that gangsterism, as long as is fighting 'totalitarians', is,
>> according to you morally acceptable. It seems it is, I dare say, as you
>> indirectly applaud 'gangster' Bond for his anti-totalitarian stance. Yet you
>> seem to be at loss when it comes to justify the rationale behind it. I am
>> not responsible for your muddled thoughts so the cheap trick of insinuating
>> I am calling you names is really a puerile diversion. It does not amount to
>> an answer.
>>
>> Personally I think that 'gangsterism' and totalitarianism are closely
>> related. So, how can you fight something/someone that is closely related to
>> you?
>>
>> Unless it is a fratricide-like fight. Quite absurd. That is why Bond is in
>> many respects an absurd, lifeless, counterfeited, artificial character.
>>
>> No wonder LeCarre dislikes him so intensely and rightly so.
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> > James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré - Telegraph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 4:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>>
>> Your name-calling crazy-talk conflation barely deserves an answer.
>> How can you read Pynchon and not appreciate the nuances of appropriate
>> actions.
>>
>> AsB4,
>> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> Henry Mu
>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, <mfarcas at mail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
>>
>> according to you, acceptable!
>> >
>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>>
>> > was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alright then. So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
>> according to you, acceptable!
>> >
>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > M. Farcas <mfarcas at mail.com>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:48 pm
>> > Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>> >
>> > Yeah, but calling someone a fascist when they're just being bossy is
>> > rather juvenile.  I assume that Le Carre meant fascist in the
>> > totalitation sense, in which case I disagree with him, as Bond was
>> > pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>> >
>> > AsB4,
>> > ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> > Henry Mu
>> > http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>When you think about it, why does Bond need to specify "not stirred"
>> > >
>> > > when he's already asked for his martini to be shaken.  What a fascist!
>> >
>> > > True! It is this obsolete and absurd Bond pedantry-cum-cruelty/faux
>> > > perfectionism (which is a hallmark of Fascism/Neo Nazism) that pisses
>> > > me
>> > > off.
>> > >
>> > > And the choice of actors (more and more macho-agressive lately, think
>> > > Daniel
>> > > Craig and his frozen mask-like facial muscles) fits the tableau.
>> > >
>> > > There is something of a steely, helmet wearing Wermacht soldier about
>> > > DC in
>> > > spite of the actor wearing civilian clothes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>
>

 
 
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