anyone see a Mason & Dixon resonance here?

[Ian Livingston]

> We may have the same point: that Freudianism has made those buddy
> tales unnecessarily erotic.

Yes, we have the same point.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski
<hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
>
>
> I just meant that "homosocial" is a more apt term than "homoerotic" to
> describe the numerous male couples in Am Lit. I don't want to stick to
> currently fashionable neologisms for their own sake. "Male bonding" is
> every bit as apt, as could be some other term. I'm open to suggestions.
>
> We may have the same point: that Freudianism has made those buddy
> tales unnecessarily erotic.
>
> But still, male bonding is relatively frequent in Am Lit, repressively
> erotic (as Fiedler thinks) or not (as we think). Or is this a matter
> of dispute too?
>
>
> Heikki
>
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Ian Livingston wrote:
>
>> What if women are admitted to have similarly powerful bonds of
>> friendship? And then if men and women can be friends? Need we yet more
>> neologisms for those relationships that we can already speak of
>> successfully?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:20 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski
>> <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe "homosocial" is a more apt word?
>> >
>> > On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Ian Livingston wrote:
>> >
>> >> Altogether likely. I never read Fiedler. I still disagree with the
>> >> assertion that so many friendships are chalked up to repressed
>> >> sexuality.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ray Easton <kraimie at kraimie.net> wrote:
>> >> > Ian Livingston wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I never understood the quick leap to homoeroticism.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right or wrong, Fiedler's argument can hardly be called a quick leap.  And
>> >> > the rest of the points you make below are straw men in the case of Fielder.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ray
>> >> >
>> >> >> My take is that it
>> >> >> is largely projection. Are all women friends unconsumated lesbians,
>> >> >> too? Our society is in deep shit if every friendship is Freudian when
>> >> >> everyone who puts a good, solid half hour of research into it knows
>> >> >> Freud's methods and conclusions were unsupported and thoroughly
>> >> >> mistaken. Then again, maybe the wish that Freud's oversimplifications
>> >> >> were acceptable that has contributed to put our society into such deep
>> >> >> shit....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:10 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Read Leslie Fiedler's Love and Death in the American Novel for a rich
>> >> >>> discusision of unconsumated homoerotic love as an enduring theme in
>> >> >>> American
>> >> >>> fiction.  Two men lighting out across the country.  It doesn't begin with
>> >> >>> Pycnhon.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> "liber enim librum aperit."
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "liber enim librum aperit."
>>
>



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