Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED

[Mark Kohut]

yes, nice, nice......

I say Mostly NO on whether the unconscious contains the inherent vice....


--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED
> To: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:33 PM
> The sea, as image, symbol, refers to
> the unconscious, yes? It is the
> Mother (Mare, La Mer) of everything, of life, yes? of
> thought,
> consciousness. It is chaos, from whence all things issue
> into the
> realm where reasoned order can be imposed, and it reclaims
> all things
> in the end. One of the first and most deeply rooted of all
> our
> archetypal symbols, it resonates deeply with the N.
> European psyche,
> if not among all cultures.
> 
> Is what is Preserved also that which can be said to have an
> Inherent Vice?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Specultions on the concept, The Preserved within TRP's
> fiction
> >
> > 1) goes back deep in maritime law.
> >      1A) back before and, mostly, outside the
> legal rise aand creations of nation states.
> > fromBritannica Concise Encyclopediaalso called
> admiralty law, or admiralty,
> > One early compilation of maritime regulations is the
> 6th-century Digest of Justinian. Roman maritime law and the
> 13th-century Consolat de Mar (“Consulate of the Sea”)
> both brought temporary uniformity of maritime law to the
> Mediterranean, but nationalism led many countries to develop
> their own maritime codes. Maritime law deals mainly with the
> eventualities of loss of a ship (e.g., through collision) or
> cargo, with insurance and liability relating to those
> eventualities, and with collision compensation and salvage
> rights. There has been an increasing tendency ... (100 of
> 6271 words)
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> > A ship named THE PRESERVED might be thought to have a
> cargo of what, human values?,---cargo that had soul since
> that was what, twice, p. 90, it was said to have lost---
> preserved from the past? From before nation-states and
> modern wars between them? Fighting over the territory of
> each nation, whereas the sea was........open to all?
> >
> > .....we come from the sea.....Pynchon loves the
> water.....and some values associated with it, yes?
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> >        1A) Sauncho had a piece of a class action
> suit against its cargo, we learned in this chapter
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> -- 
> "liber enim librum aperit."
>