A visibly artful and oneiric film...

[Paul Mackin]

On 10/28/2011 5:16 PM, jochen stremmel wrote:
> (The first female-female kiss in the English speaking world was
> perhaps in Morocco; directed and kissed by Europeans, however.)

Ah yes, everybody loved Marlene. In or out of her tuxedo..


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> J
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> 2011/10/28 Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>:
>> On 10/28/2011 2:26 PM, jochen stremmel wrote:
>>> "Anders als die Anderen" from 1919?
>>
>>
>> This was before talkies.  It dared say its name only in titles.
>>
>> European movies were ahead of Anglo-America.
>>
>> In the English speaking world the first male-male kiss is reported to be in
>> "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" in the early seventies.   (kisses are important in
>> the history of movies, aren't they)
>>
>> "Compulsion" (late 50s) treated homosexuality frankly but in a very non PC
>> manner.  Not "explicit" yet, I guess.
>>
>> Also, much earlier, there was "Rope" (late forties),  also a based on the
>> Leopold and Loeb case.
>>
>> Incidentally is anyone else reading Hollinghurst's The Stranger's Child,
>> which deals very much with the effect of changing attitude toward same sex
>> relations between Edwardian days and the present, most specifically the
>> effect on literary biography.  It has a Rupert Brooks like character.
>>
>> P.
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>>> 2011/10/28<kelber at mindspring.com>:
>>>> Hi, Mr. Carvill - you've been missed.  I actually saw this movie.  There
>>>> was something odd about the set-up:  An older Jewish man invites some young
>>>> GIs back to his apartment for drinks, and one of them kills him because he's
>>>> a Jew?  But when I looked up the book it was based on and discovered the
>>>> character was a homosexual, it all made sense.  Too daring a topic for the
>>>> movies back in those days.  Victim, with Dirk Bogarde, came out in 1961.
>>>>   Don't know if that was the first film to explicitly deal with
>>>> homosexuality.  Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Carvill John<johncarvill at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Oct 28, 2011 7:48 AM
>>>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>> Subject: A visibly artful and oneiric film...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Foax
>>>>>
>>>>> NP, just a stumbled-upon reference. 'Crossfire' (1947) is described as a
>>>>> "visibly artful and oneiric film" here, the word rang a bell:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.noiroftheweek.com/2005/07/crossfire-1947-7112005.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Not been keeping up on the list much, the uselessness of the garbled
>>>>> digest edition sorta pushed me out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>> Word on the IV movie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope all (even my old nemeses) are well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> JC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>