Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[Ian Livingston]

It may depend upon who's looking.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Truth may eventually emerge supreme, but we'll all be dead by then!
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Yes. And he may have been right. At least it's safe to say that modern
>> governments all seek to suppress / censor voices, lest the views expressed
>> prove toxic to the rulers.
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>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Michael Bailey <
>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> But the gist of Mill (grist of mill?) on censorship was basically let
>>> all viewpoints be heard including wrong ones and truth will emerge supreme
>>> (truth in everlast shorts holding up a boxing gloved hand, "the winner, and
>>> new champeen")
>>>  On Dec 18, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy
>>>> reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
>>>> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
>>>>
>>>>   *From:* Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American
>>>> politics
>>>>
>>>> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but there
>>>> is also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions in
>>>> any discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things to
>>>> be any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted
>>>> for, right?
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public
>>>> space of
>>>> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played no
>>>> role in his
>>>> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited
>>>> neurotics--
>>>> the major other Group.
>>>>
>>>> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain of
>>>> seeing History.
>>>>
>>>> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
>>>>
>>>> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
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