Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[David Morris]

The dead don't care who's looking.


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:

> It may depend upon who's looking.
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Truth may eventually emerge supreme, but we'll all be dead by then!
>>
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>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. And he may have been right. At least it's safe to say that modern
>>> governments all seek to suppress / censor voices, lest the views expressed
>>> prove toxic to the rulers.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Michael Bailey <
>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the gist of Mill (grist of mill?) on censorship was basically let
>>>> all viewpoints be heard including wrong ones and truth will emerge supreme
>>>> (truth in everlast shorts holding up a boxing gloved hand, "the winner, and
>>>> new champeen")
>>>>  On Dec 18, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy
>>>>> reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
>>>>> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
>>>>>
>>>>>   *From:* Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of
>>>>> American politics
>>>>>
>>>>> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but there
>>>>> is also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions in
>>>>> any discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things to
>>>>> be any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted
>>>>> for, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public
>>>>> space of
>>>>> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played
>>>>> no role in his
>>>>> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited
>>>>> neurotics--
>>>>> the major other Group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain of
>>>>> seeing History.
>>>>>
>>>>> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - where the bee sucks, there suck I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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