Speaking of Carl Jung

[Matthew Cissell]

My bio is not as dark as Jung's. Don't know 'bout the rest of yall.

Ian, god shitting on the cathedral makes sense to me too. Jung shitting on people is less clear to me. It's not hindsight 20/20, it's facing up to the nightmare of history. I guess I don't see what Jung did "right" so I can't merit praise by assimilating his work.


mc otis


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 From: Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> 
Cc: Matthew Cissell <macissell at yahoo.es>; "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of Carl Jung
 
Hard to believe that biographies of us plisters would have any less darkness in them than Jung's. 



On Mar 27, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's easy to find what's wrong in people's words and actions,
> especially once they are out of date; it requires something else to
> merit praise oneself by assimilating what others have done right and
> move forward with that. God shitting on the cathedral makes an awful
> lot of sense to me. Sounds like a good dream, referencing the manner
> in which the cathedral shits on humans.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Cissell <macissell at yahoo.es> wrote:
>> Richard Wolin shines a pretty poor light on him  in the book "The Seduction
>> of Unreason". He mentions the story about god sitting on the cathedral
>> 
>> mc
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
>> To: Billy Genocide <billygenocide at gmail.com>
>> Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:07 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Speaking of Carl Jung
>> 
>> Anything the psychology of his or this day would condone is so lame it's
>> scary.
>> 
>> 
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>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Billy Genocide <billygenocide at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I'm basically in agreement with Noll, but I don't think it's a bad
>> thing. Especially now that Jung's Red Book has been published, it can't be
>> denied that his personal techniques were more along the lines of those of
>> magician's and "pagans" than anything even the psychology of his day would
>> have condoned, let alone modern psychology. Jung talks about having visions,
>> meeting "people," astral entities, talking and communing with them.  It is
>> my opinion that Noll's perspective is at least more accurate than Memories,
>> Dreams and Reflections. Much of the latter was actually written by Aniela
>> Jaffe who herself did much to whitewash Jung on top of yielding to pressure
>> from Jung's family to edit many things out.
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's all fiction. You're kidding when you say 'real look' I hope
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Billy Genocide <billygenocide at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Memories, Dreams and Reflections is edited and whitewashed bullshit released
>> posthumously. If you want a real look at Jung's life you should read Aryan
>> Christ by Richard Noll.
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Jed Kelestron <jedkelestron at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Memories Dreams and Reflections. His autobiography.
>> 
>> 
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>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:51 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like, but source, please?
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 25, 2012, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Seems he had a recurrent boyhood dream in which God
>>> would shit fromon high on the Cathedral at Basel.
>>> 
>>> Now THAT'S "Shit,Money & the Word' ......
>>> 
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> -- 
> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
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