GR translation: more steeply than the waking will ever need

[Paul Mackin]

On 10/29/2012 8:28 AM, Markekohut wrote:
> Perhaps all, each and every object? The contrast between order and randomness.

Slothrop senses some kind of disruption in the randomness of the 
room--a  Maxwell's Demon perhaps. The room is "coded." There are 
perceptible signs of a different order.  Order is double meaning here.  
There is the order (or lack of order) in the arrangement or 
rearrangement of objects, but  also there seems to be a Secret 
Order--the kind of order that takes oaths.  Another Order.

Consider the use of the word "debris" in the book--it occurs 27 
times--first time by Sloat in observing Slothrup' s desk.  It's a 
godawful mess, completely random, without significance to Sloat's spy 
mission. Except for one thing--the map of London tacked over the 
desk--it does seem to have meaning, relevance.  It's coded. Sloat snaps 
it with his spy camera.

Sloat is still watching Slothrup at the Casino.  Only this time it's 
Slothrop who is beginning to Observe.

He's not in Kansas anymore.  The normal, waking world is not a closed 
system.  It's been penetrated.

P





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> On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I should really have searched my own email before firing that one off.
>> But this discussion of "the waking' is giving me new ideas.  Now I am
>> thinking of the act of waking up from a dream, and the lingering
>> images from the dream, which can be thought of as some kind of
>> "debris".  Or is it actual debris floating and turning in the wake of
>> a boat?  I may have finally gone off the deep end here.
>>
>> Anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that "the ordinary debris of
>> waking" are the ordinary, everyday objects around Slothrop.  Now the
>> question becomes, which objects belong to "the
>> paraphernalia of an order whose presence he has only lately begun to suspect"?
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2012/10/28 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:56 PM, David Payne <dpayne1912 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Although see how "waking" is used on p. 205..12::
>>>>>
>>>>> "For a minute here, Slothrop, in his English uniform, is alone with the paraphernalia of an order whose presence among the ordinary debris of waking he has only lately begun to suspect."
>>>> That reminds me, what are these "ordinary debris of waking" anyway?
>>> Until now I thought Laura had the right answer (from the 12th of June):
>>>
>>> It's a nice thought experiment: you're sitting in a cluttered, really
>>> messy room, because you're pretty much of a slob (the room's filled
>>> with "the ordinary debris of waking.").  But then you're told
>>> (Slothrop only suspects) that someone has selected certain items in
>>> the room and moved them, slightly, without your knowledge, for
>>> purposes beyond your understanding ("Their" order) .  Which objects?
>>> Why?  That's how Slothrop feels.
>>>
>>> Seems still plausible to me.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should ask Max what he made of the two wakings in his translation?