GR translation: more steeply than the waking will ever need

[Markekohut]

Nice..".perceptible signs of a different order".....a phrase that could have come from Crying of Lot 49 and yes to double meaning (at least) 

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:

> On 10/29/2012 8:28 AM, Markekohut wrote:
>> Perhaps all, each and every object? The contrast between order and randomness.
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> Slothrop senses some kind of disruption in the randomness of the room--a  Maxwell's Demon perhaps. The room is "coded." There are perceptible signs of a different order.  Order is double meaning here.  There is the order (or lack of order) in the arrangement or rearrangement of objects, but  also there seems to be a Secret Order--the kind of order that takes oaths.  Another Order.
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> Consider the use of the word "debris" in the book--it occurs 27 times--first time by Sloat in observing Slothrup' s desk.  It's a godawful mess, completely random, without significance to Sloat's spy mission. Except for one thing--the map of London tacked over the desk--it does seem to have meaning, relevance.  It's coded. Sloat snaps it with his spy camera.
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> Sloat is still watching Slothrup at the Casino.  Only this time it's Slothrop who is beginning to Observe.
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> He's not in Kansas anymore.  The normal, waking world is not a closed system.  It's been penetrated.
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>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I should really have searched my own email before firing that one off.
>>> But this discussion of "the waking' is giving me new ideas.  Now I am
>>> thinking of the act of waking up from a dream, and the lingering
>>> images from the dream, which can be thought of as some kind of
>>> "debris".  Or is it actual debris floating and turning in the wake of
>>> a boat?  I may have finally gone off the deep end here.
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>>> Anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that "the ordinary debris of
>>> waking" are the ordinary, everyday objects around Slothrop.  Now the
>>> question becomes, which objects belong to "the
>>> paraphernalia of an order whose presence he has only lately begun to suspect"?
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>>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 2012/10/28 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:56 PM, David Payne <dpayne1912 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Although see how "waking" is used on p. 205..12::
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>>>>>> "For a minute here, Slothrop, in his English uniform, is alone with the paraphernalia of an order whose presence among the ordinary debris of waking he has only lately begun to suspect."
>>>>> That reminds me, what are these "ordinary debris of waking" anyway?
>>>> Until now I thought Laura had the right answer (from the 12th of June):
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>>>> It's a nice thought experiment: you're sitting in a cluttered, really
>>>> messy room, because you're pretty much of a slob (the room's filled
>>>> with "the ordinary debris of waking.").  But then you're told
>>>> (Slothrop only suspects) that someone has selected certain items in
>>>> the room and moved them, slightly, without your knowledge, for
>>>> purposes beyond your understanding ("Their" order) .  Which objects?
>>>> Why?  That's how Slothrop feels.
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>>>> Seems still plausible to me.
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>>>> Perhaps we should ask Max what he made of the two wakings in his translation?
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