First Page of Bleeding Edge?

rich richard.romeo at gmail.com
Tue Apr 16 18:35:36 CDT 2013


there's only one modern novelist i can think of that i can seriously call
unbearably beautiful and that's WG Sebald. there's nothing in AtD that
comes close.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seconded.....YES, GR is so great but why don't we accept his move away
> from that? to have done
> Another like that, would have been like the guy who rewrote Quixote in the
> Borges story.....not
> Even close to another work of Art.....
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seems to me Mr. P paid serious dues writing GR. It's gut-wrenching,
> mind-expanding stuff. Yet, he survived to write another day, and another.
> Doesn't seem fair to expect him to repeat the feat. He probably couldn't
> take it mentally or physically, let alone emotionally.
> >
> > Personally, I've enjoyed everything he's written. Not saying it's all
> equal, just that I like his voice.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 16, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, I'm not going to defend IV, nor this one but I am going to say
> the hidden density of AtD
> >> Is still virtually untapped.
> >> GR is expressive, in-your-face density. Like the greatest of German
> expressionists. Munch?
> >> Against the Day is the work of a magician of concealment. One of the
> greatest landscape artists
> >> Ever---Turner with light writ so large it covers walls.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Rich Clavey <antizoyd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Exactly. It was those mind expanding sentences in GR that when I read
> one I had to mentally catch my breath and wonder in amazement. And they
> were just piled one on top of another, seemingly, in that book. You can see
> glimpses of that kind of writing in his later books (especially M&D), but
> only here and there. I think revisiting that kind of dense connected
> writing is what I always hope for in a new Pynchon book. How many times can
> one read IV? After reading GR some 6 or 7 times I still read it with a
> newly born excitement.
> >>> Here's to hoping.
> >>> Rich
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
> >>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 5:11 PM
> >>>
> >>> #yiv1570882932 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,
> sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1570882932
> p{margin:0px;}What's missing the most from VL, IV, and this early fragment
> of the new novel, are those mind-expanding sentences and passages that take
> you in multiple directions: organic chemistry tied to fascism, literacy as
> oppression, etc. Pynchon's not our go-to person for apt descriptions of
> hippie California or Yuppie NYC - plenty of sources there.  What made him
> great before the existence of the internet - his ability to see
> connections, and take us places we might never get on our own - are less
> exciting in the present, when all of us have the ability to become
> demi-gods, accessing information, if not insight, by tapping in to the
> nearest search engine. I'm not dismissing the new novel on the basis of
> that one excerpt. It may or may not be typical of the entire work. I
> sincerely hope it's not.
> >>> Laura
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> From: malignd at aol.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Apr 16, 2013 6:01 PM
> >>>
> >>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Write what you want, of course, but these Norman Rockwell images (I
> think first tossed in here by Millison) of TP and Jackson (wearing Yankee
> caps, Pynch teaching Jackson how to tie a fly) are retch provoking.  For
> all anybody knows he whipped the brat with a belt for failing to memorize
> the entirety of COL49.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nothing like the Great P. who rode the Golem & the Rocket, who Wrote
> those other tomes, but so very dear and, yes Mark, Warm & Intimate,
> affectionate as if Jackson was peaking at an early draft of his father's
> work for the first time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> To: Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Cc: Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com>; Mark Kohut <
> markekohut at yahoo.com>; jamie <jamie at bigdada.com>; Henry Musikar <
> scuffling at gmail.com>; ā€œpynchon-l at waste.or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> gā€œ <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 2:05 pm
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
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> >>> Nothing like the Great P. who rode the Golem & the Rocket, who Wrote
> those other tomes, but so very dear and, yes Mark, Warm & Intimate,
> affectionate as if Jackson was peaking at an early draft of his father's
> work for the first time.
> >>>
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> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Dave Monroe <
> against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "... if only she' looked."
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> >>> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0907&msg=137034
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> >>> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0701&msg=114275
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> >>> http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0208&msg=69706
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> >>> On 4/16/13, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
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> >>>> p. 33 (paginated as p.32)
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> >>>> http://booksellers.penguin.com/static/pdf/penguinpress-fall13.pdf
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> >>>> On 4/16/13, Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> This isn't directed at you, Mark, or any one person in particular,
> but:
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> >>>>> How do we know this is the first page ...?
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