First Page of Bleeding Edge?

Tue Apr 16 22:09:41 CDT 2013

Watch that "we," ace. A few of us, including the academicians, liked GR- found it humorous- when it arrived. Vineland was a stroke of genius, if only for the ire it aroused in the camp followers that initially gagged on GR, then scrambled to proclaim how wonderful it was when "we" unpacked the more complicated and balletic metaphors for them, not to mention the math and science, A' and the idea that maybe the motivations behind the Holocaust(s) were not so Germanocentric. Another GR would have violated the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Vineland was essential on the way to M&D. It was also breathtaking in its change of pace and spot on in its non-judgemental portrayal of the banality of the majority of Americans. It sucker-punched the critics, and forced them out of their comfort zone and into the living room of the common American. It took the Afrikaaner-like academic off of his high horse, and made him talk about t.v. It was a proclamation of creative independence. It was also quite funny, in an derisive sort of way. 

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From: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
To: Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
Cc: Rich Clavey <antizoyd at yahoo.com>; pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>; kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?

Seconded.....YES, GR is so great but why don't we accept his move away from 
hat? to have done 
nother like that, would have been like the guy who rewrote Quixote in the 
orges story.....not
ven close to another work of Art.....
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 16, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems to me Mr. P paid serious dues writing GR. It's gut-wrenching, 
ind-expanding stuff. Yet, he survived to write another day, and another. 
oesn't seem fair to expect him to repeat the feat. He probably couldn't take it 
entally or physically, let alone emotionally.

 Personally, I've enjoyed everything he's written. Not saying it's all equal, 
ust that I like his voice.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 16, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'm not going to defend IV, nor this one but I am going to say the 
idden density of AtD
> Is still virtually untapped. 
> GR is expressive, in-your-face density. Like the greatest of German 
xpressionists. Munch?
> Against the Day is the work of a magician of concealment. One of the greatest 
andscape artists
> Ever---Turner with light writ so large it covers walls.
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> On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Rich Clavey <antizoyd at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Exactly. It was those mind expanding sentences in GR that when I read one I 
ad to mentally catch my breath and wonder in amazement. And they were just 
iled one on top of another, seemingly, in that book. You can see glimpses of 
hat kind of writing in his later books (especially M&D), but only here and 
here. I think revisiting that kind of dense connected writing is what I always 
ope for in a new Pynchon book. How many times can one read IV? After reading GR 
ome 6 or 7 times I still read it with a newly born excitement. 
>> Here's to hoping.
>> Rich
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>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> From: kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
>> Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 5:11 PM
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>> #yiv1570882932 body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}#yiv1570882932 
{margin:0px;}What's missing the most from VL, IV, and this early fragment of 
he new novel, are those mind-expanding sentences and passages that take you in 
ultiple directions: organic chemistry tied to fascism, literacy as oppression, 
tc. Pynchon's not our go-to person for apt descriptions of hippie California or 
uppie NYC - plenty of sources there.  What made him great before the existence 
f the internet - his ability to see connections, and take us places we might 
ever get on our own - are less exciting in the present, when all of us have the 
bility to become demi-gods, accessing information, if not insight, by tapping 
n to the nearest search engine. I'm not dismissing the new novel on the basis 
f that one excerpt. It may or may not be typical of the entire work. I 
incerely hope it's not.
>> Laura
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>> Write what you want, of course, but these Norman Rockwell images (I think 
irst tossed in here by Millison) of TP and Jackson (wearing Yankee caps, Pynch 
eaching Jackson how to tie a fly) are retch provoking.  For all anybody knows 
e whipped the brat with a belt for failing to memorize the entirety of COL49.
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>> Nothing like the Great P. who rode the Golem & the Rocket, who Wrote those 
ther tomes, but so very dear and, yes Mark, Warm & Intimate, affectionate as if 
ackson was peaking at an early draft of his father's work for the first time. 
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>> From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
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amie <jamie at bigdada.com>; Henry Musikar <scuffling at gmail.com>; 
pynchon-l at waste.or
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