NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

Fri Apr 26 18:35:36 CDT 2013

It might depend on how Dz comports himself from here on, and on the sensibilities of some of his victims. Speculating on the path that some of these unfortunate individuals take to heal is just that, speculation. I'm not sure what, if any, experience you've had with unexpected trauma, but I can tell you it has profound psychological effects in addition to the more obvious physical ones. Overcoming the psychological effects is often the more difficult part.

You might be surprised to learn that some of the more successful patients, in these instances, are those that can learn to let go of their hatred, anger and fear of what or whomever was responsible, and learn to forgive. At the very least, those that allow themselves to accept the possibility that the casual agent is capable of remorse for his actions, and then to accept or reject that, depending on their own sensibilities, provides a therapeutic option for some to gain a sense of control over their torment. The needs of patients in these circumstances are quite varied and complex. The literature is on the topic of trauma/PTSD and forgiveness is quite extensive. Forced forgiveness can be as damaging a strategy as over-emphasis on revenge. It's an individual thing, and not infrequently a patient's method of Post Traumatic Growth (PTG) will evolve through various contradictory phases.

Whether or not that wrankles your particular sense of righteousness really has no bearing on the outcome of their individual struggles.

-----Original Message-----
From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

I think, given time spent staring at the stumps where there legs used to be and thinking about the wanton cruelty of the act that was the cause, they will reach no such sympathy for young Mr. loved and beloved.  Just an excitable boy.

But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a similar sympathy for Dz.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
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Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

I'd say grumpy old man fits better than senility ("Get off my lawn!"). 

By everyone's account that knew him intimately, the kid was loved and loved back.  The influence of his less adapted 8 years older brother seems to have derailed him.  Dz was w/o any other family in the US.  So he was very venerable to Big Bros influence.  His identity as a refugee from Chetchnia, with all its own tragedy was used to derail his newer American identity.  His parents don't seem so stable either.

My balls have nothing to do with these sympathies. Would expressing sympathy for Dz's downfall to his victims be "ballsy?"  No.  It would be stupid.  But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a similar sympathy for Dz.

On Friday, April 26, 2013, wrote:

Perhaps.  If creeping senility is my problem, there's probably little I can do for it.  But what exactly are you saying?  This person planted a bomb meant to maim people -- and succeeded handsomely -- and you feel sorry for him?  What exactly are you trying to say?  Again, I suggest you go express your sorrow to the victims. A hypothetical, clearly, but would you have the balls?  I doubt it ... 

You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.  Just sayin'

-----Original Message-----
From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 1:12 am
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You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.  Just sayin'

On Thursday, April 25, 2013, wrote:

You feel sorry for this piece of shit?  Maybe you should travel to Boston and express your feelings to those limbless victims he intentionally destroyed.  Fuck you.

Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I feel sorry for him.

-----Original Message-----
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To: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
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Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I feel sorry for him.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am
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Sorry, mal, I must have over looked this last evening. 

It is so hard to see anything good or even human in the actions of the Tsarnaev brothers. Trying to understanding them seems alomost self-hating. Your "Who knew?"- more about my simplistic testosterone comment- seems really more to the point about Dzhokhar's persona. Of all the people who did know him and interact with him prior to the horrendus events, that I heard interviewed, not one of them could believe he could have been capable of such a monstrous lack of empathy. He seems truly Other than "We."

The system may put him to death, or no, we'll see, but that's all after the fact. What new barometers will be devised, and how will they be applied, for measuring the potential danger of people who otherwise seem so normal? I find the prospects troubling.

-----Original Message-----
From: malignd malignd at aol.com
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Sent: Mon, Apr 22, 2013 6:28 pm
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<<I think many agree- physically, he's not hard to look at.>> 

He's a murderer but hey! he's cute!  And sociable!  Cut the kid some slack!

<<Men, in general, are more prone to aggression and violence, much of that due testosterone.>>

Who knew?

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From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
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Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 6:14 pm
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Dzhokhar is especially troubling and difficult to understand. I think many agree- physically, he's not hard to look at. From what I've read and heard, he's bright and sociable. He seemed to have alot going for him. Maybe there is more about him that will come out. Until then, it's an enigma. 

Men,

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