NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

[David Morris]

Nice Response.

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On Friday, April 26, 2013, wrote:

> It might depend on how Dz comports himself from here on, and on the
> sensibilities of some of his victims. Speculating on the path that some of
> these unfortunate individuals take to heal is just that, speculation. I'm
> not sure what, if any, experience you've had with unexpected trauma, but I
> can tell you it has profound psychological effects in addition to the more
> obvious physical ones. Overcoming the psychological effects is often the
> more difficult part.
>
> You might be surprised to learn that some of the more successful patients,
> in these instances, are those that can learn to let go of their hatred,
> anger and fear of what or whomever was responsible, and learn to forgive.
> At the very least, those that allow themselves to accept the possibility
> that the casual agent is capable of remorse for his actions, and then to
> accept or reject that, depending on their own sensibilities, provides a
> therapeutic option for some to gain a sense of control over their torment.
> The needs of patients in these circumstances are quite varied and complex.
> The literature is on the topic of trauma/PTSD and forgiveness is quite
> extensive. Forced forgiveness can be as damaging a strategy as
> over-emphasis on revenge. It's an individual thing, and not infrequently a
> patient's method of Post Traumatic Growth (PTG) will evolve through various
> contradictory phases.
>
> Whether or not that wrankles your particular sense of righteousness really
> has no bearing on the outcome of their individual struggles.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'malignd at aol.com');>>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'pynchon-l at waste.org');>>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 6:07 pm
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
> I think, given time spent staring at the stumps where there legs used to
> be and thinking about the wanton cruelty of the act that was the cause,
> they will reach no such sympathy for young Mr. loved and beloved.  Just an
> excitable boy.
>
> But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a similar
> sympathy for Dz.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 5:48 pm
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
> I'd say grumpy old man fits better than senility ("Get off my lawn!").
>
>  By everyone's account that knew him intimately, the kid was loved and
> loved back.  The influence of his less adapted 8 years older brother seems
> to have derailed him.  Dz was w/o any other family in the US.  So he was
> very venerable to Big Bros influence.  His identity as a refugee from
> Chetchnia, with all its own tragedy was used to derail his newer American
> identity.  His parents don't seem so stable either.
>
>  My balls have nothing to do with these sympathies. Would expressing
> sympathy for Dz's downfall to his victims be "ballsy?"  No.  It would be
> stupid.  But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a
> similar sympathy for Dz.
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2013, wrote:
>
> Perhaps.  If creeping senility is my problem, there's probably little I
> can do for it.  But what exactly are you saying?  This person planted a
> bomb meant to maim people -- and succeeded handsomely -- and you feel sorry
> for him?  What exactly are you trying to say?  Again, I suggest you go
> express your sorrow to the victims. A hypothetical, clearly, but would you
> have the balls?  I doubt it ...
>
> You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.
>  Just sayin'
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 1:12 am
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
> You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.
>  Just sayin'
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2013, wrote:
>
> You feel sorry for this piece of shit?  Maybe you should travel to Boston
> and express your feelings to those limbless victims he intentionally
> destroyed.  Fuck you.
>
> Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I
> feel sorry for him.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:58 pm
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
> Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I
> feel sorry for him.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
>  Sorry, mal, I must have over looked this last evening.
>
> It is so hard to see anything good or even human in the actions of the
> Tsarnaev brothers. Trying to understanding them seems alomost self-hating.
> Your "W
>
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