Our Privacy is Our Liberty

[rich]

can that cat ever be put back in the bag, just like any other technology or
innovation? I'm up for all the outrage and shit (though I lean more to
stupidity side of the spectrum). isn't that sort what BE addresses? we are
all maxine, no?


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> I totally agree. There are few more clearly stated amendments than the 4th
> amendment. And there are few more clear violations of that than the NSA
> surveillance. The 4th amendment comes right out of the revolution against
> imperial overreach, the tyranny of unaccountable courts and hierarchical
> power structures.  Good idea to check out one's Congressperson's and
> Senator's votes on these issues and send em an e-mail.
>
>  IMO The entire history of secretive agencies in the US has been a history
> of  everything that was repudiated in the American revolution and the
> constitutional balance of powers and Bill of Rights.
>
> "There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying,
> legitimate law enforcement — where individuals are targeted based on
> a reasonable, individualized suspicion — and these programs of dragnet mass
> surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and
> save copies forever. These programs were never about terrorism: they're
> about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They're
> about power."
>    This is an excerpt from an article by Snowden today in a Brazilian
> paper.
>
> and a federal Judge has agreed that this violates 4th amendment within the
> last 24 hours
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/us/politics/federal-judge-rules-against-nsa-phone-data-program.html
>
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:14 AM, David Morris wrote:
>
>
> http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/politics/nsa-surveillance-court-ruling-121613
>
> Quite simply, there is no more important debate to be had on the
> historical nature of what an American is. It comes to us from our
> very beginnings. Privacy is central to who we were, and to who we are, as a
> democratic self-governing people If it is obsolete then, frankly, so are we.
>
>
>
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