Back to AtD. Back to Frank,

[alice wellintown]

Speaking of speaking frankly, is that a Sears Pancho, Frank? Or is that a
Mexican pun Panho?
Or is the P Zapping  with Cozmick Debris?


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On Friday, February 22, 2013, Bled Welder wrote:

> What was the role of pedantry in the modern mexican rural revolutionaries?
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM, alice wellintown <
> alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the Mexican history the urban professionals are Madero Revolution &
>> Co., easy enough, but the fantasy of a liberal democracy extends
>> beyond the context, beyond Mexico and the event that Frank is in the
>> middle of. So, the urban professionals' fantacy is set against the
>> rural revolutionary reality. To argue that P sides with the violence
>> of the rural revolutionaries because he sides with their revolution is
>> a misreading.
>>
>> But how can these better revolutionaries put away violence and bring
>> about the changes that their revolution promised? How do they bring
>> down those who used them, betrayed them, and now hold power?
>>
>> Violence won't get the JOB done.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am soon going to complicate this opinion, I think, as I continue to
>> post.
>> > As with almost everything, he satirizes many stances, and unties the
>> knots
>> > of a nuanced position.....(which doesn't preclude 'ambiguous'--in
>> Empson's
>> > sense--nuances and therefore possible 'positions'....
>> > I think here he is scoring on 'some urban professionals' who call this
>> Mexican-based
>> > Revolution, 'liberal democracy.
>> >
>> > I suggest, flame me now, suchas the Weather Underground and their
>> self-justifications for
>> > violence are scored here....among others.....
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
>> > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> > Cc:
>> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:06 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Back to AtD. Back to Frank,
>> >
>> > This chapter is typical of P's lifting of history; we can certainly
>> > identify the author's norms here, his political and historical point
>> > of view is evident; this is especicially the case in the phrase "some
>> > urban professionals' fanasy of liberal democracy" as this phrase
>> > evokes, from P readers, a sardonic wit that is the author's style when
>> > he provides commentary, and is  fundamentally Marxists to left-wing
>> > Anarchist in view, that is, his take on the historical events lifted
>> > from the pages of history, briefly sketeched, are sifted through P's
>> > critical sieve to expose the norms he proejects and evokes throught
>> > the novel, and these are consistant with the argument that P adopts
>> > after GR, as he turns his attention more and more to the stuggle of
>> > workers, to labor, and argues that a liberal democracy can not succeed
>> > under capitalism because  capitalism is class-based and therefore can
>> > never be democratic or even participatory.
>> >
>> > These are the politics of P. Not difficult to find. His norms are
>> > there in the commentary, in his selections of historical events, and,
>> > yes, even in his characters, in this case, Frank, who, though a pawn
>> > on P's chessboard, is moved on and in the squares of history.
>> >
>> > Of course, Pynchon is not commenting on Ahab, or Pyncheon, but the
>> > tale of land taken, haunted by the ghosts of the oppressed and
>> > murdered is more than mere allusion or favorable parody, but directs
>> > us to land issues that saturate, still, the geo-political conficts
>> > from Mexico to Brazil, and, of course, back to the States, and the
>> > lines, signaled up, and cut into the Earth...and so on.
>>
>
>
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