I've gotcher Gabriel Ice right here:

[Robin Landseadel]

You are speaking of liberals, something distinct from the left.

In any case, we are at cross purposes. Good day.

And Anti-Oedipus speaks of self-destructive forces, as regards the  
totems of power, that disable the "Left of the
On Oct 6, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:

> Robin,
>
> You said that we were mis-reading by reading irony or satire into  
> the author's political statements. Do you seriously think that left  
> content of the kind P addresses in his writings is aligned with  
> Mother Jones magazine. Journalists?
>
> We've narrowly escaped a Great Depression, and where is the Left? In  
> court, not fighting for the poor, the working poor, but one another.  
> Millions in the balance.
>
> No, I'm sorry, the Left sold us out. Look to Wisconsin. Look at how  
> the Left sold out those brave Chicago teachers. How the sell out the  
> rank and file in nyc. The Left content?
>
> In that intro to 1985 P describes Orwell as left of the left. The  
> left in the us, and in nyc, is right of center.
>
> The characters carry the weight. Call them toons, it doesn't matter.  
> Why do Ernie's daughters marry the men they marry? Why do they turn  
> on their parents, on the poor people, the old folks living in the  
> rent controlled apartments.
>
> The dude on the single sprocket bike, delivering, hated by the  
> mayor, he may be a toon, but he carries a heavy theme.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013, Robin Landseadel wrote:
> Well then excuse me, of course the author shades all his characters  
> with various degrees of pun potential and whatnot, al la Jay Ward  
> cartoon studios.
>
> I guess I'm pointing to Left Content as opposed to Left Cartoons.  
> Pynchon is nothing if not a master of cartoons. I mean seriously—Al- 
> Mar_Fuad, pg. 757, Against the Day?
>
> I have hardly cracked DeLeuze 'n' Guattari, "Vineland" has a  
> splendid and very telling citation—[Jesus Fucking Christ, you're  
> making me look up this shit again]—From an online resource near you!
> " . . . Deleuze and Guattari are named in Vineland at the wedding of  
> Mafioso Ralph Wayvone's daughter as authors of The Italian Wedding  
> Fake Book, to which Billy Barf and Vomitones (disguised as Gino  
> Baglione and the Paisans) resort when it becomes clear that they do  
> not know any appropriate songs for an Italian wedding. They are only  
> mentioned once, without elaboration, and it may be only another  
> Pynchonesque throwaway, but if we follow the logic from Sister  
> Rochelle's "Let her be" to Heidegger, the Beatles, and the Rolling  
> Stones, the reference to Deleuze and Guattari extends the Vineland's  
> exploration of how to contend with the "Cosmic Fascist" which has  
> contaminated sex, politics, and representation.
>

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