I've gotcher Gabriel Ice right here:

[Fiona Shnapple]

No, I'm talking about the Left.


The Left would like to claim a radical heritage (Mother Jones), attack the
capitalists, the privileged classes, the establishment, that includes the
Liberals who co-opt  and take credit, but the Left is the enemy of
basic political change.

Good day to you, Sir.



On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Robin Landseadel <
robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:

> You are speaking of liberals, something distinct from the left.
>
> In any case, we are at cross purposes. Good day.
>
> And Anti-Oedipus speaks of self-destructive forces, as regards the totems
> of power, that disable the "Left of the
>
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>
>  Robin,
>>
>> You said that we were mis-reading by reading irony or satire into the
>> author's political statements. Do you seriously think that left content of
>> the kind P addresses in his writings is aligned with Mother Jones magazine.
>> Journalists?
>>
>> We've narrowly escaped a Great Depression, and where is the Left? In
>> court, not fighting for the poor, the working poor, but one another.
>> Millions in the balance.
>>
>> No, I'm sorry, the Left sold us out. Look to Wisconsin. Look at how the
>> Left sold out those brave Chicago teachers. How the sell out the rank and
>> file in nyc. The Left content?
>>
>> In that intro to 1985 P describes Orwell as left of the left. The left in
>> the us, and in nyc, is right of center.
>>
>> The characters carry the weight. Call them toons, it doesn't matter. Why
>> do Ernie's daughters marry the men they marry? Why do they turn on their
>> parents, on the poor people, the old folks living in the rent controlled
>> apartments.
>>
>> The dude on the single sprocket bike, delivering, hated by the mayor, he
>> may be a toon, but he carries a heavy theme.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013, Robin Landseadel wrote:
>> Well then excuse me, of course the author shades all his characters with
>> various degrees of pun potential and whatnot, al la Jay Ward cartoon
>> studios.
>>
>> I guess I'm pointing to Left Content as opposed to Left Cartoons. Pynchon
>> is nothing if not a master of cartoons. I mean seriously—Al-Mar_Fuad, pg.
>> 757, Against the Day?
>>
>> I have hardly cracked DeLeuze 'n' Guattari, "Vineland" has a splendid and
>> very telling citation—[Jesus Fucking Christ, you're making me look up this
>> shit again]—From an online resource near you!
>> " . . . Deleuze and Guattari are named in Vineland at the wedding of
>> Mafioso Ralph Wayvone's daughter as authors of The Italian Wedding Fake
>> Book, to which Billy Barf and Vomitones (disguised as Gino Baglione and the
>> Paisans) resort when it becomes clear that they do not know any appropriate
>> songs for an Italian wedding. They are only mentioned once, without
>> elaboration, and it may be only another Pynchonesque throwaway, but if we
>> follow the logic from Sister Rochelle's "Let her be" to Heidegger, the
>> Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, the reference to Deleuze and Guattari
>> extends the Vineland's exploration of how to contend with the "Cosmic
>> Fascist" which has contaminated sex, politics, and representation.
>>
>>
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