M&D - chapter 19-21 - The Jesuits

Thu Apr 2 06:51:21 CDT 2015

Only disCERNing readers will spot the difference

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, Elisabeth Romberg <eromberg at mac.com> wrote:

> And we are CERN days away from discovering the possible existence of a
> multiverse, whatever that means…
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> I know! Should we be conCERNed?
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> 1. apr. 2015 kl. 04.18 skrev David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>>:
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> Elisabeth,
> I'm sorry for being so abrupt.  I don't like most conspiracies. They
> usually require gullibility. I have been burned by that gullibility brand
> far too often. Burn me thrice.
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> Thus I like fun conspiracies, but as games, played without too earnest
> a belief. Thus I poke holes where it seems fit to poke. Logic is Swiss
> cheeezeez. And the internet reality is even more porous.
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> But to return,
> The Vatican does own the VATT. It does not run, own,  or administer
> Lucifer, but it can rent its neighbor for time there. The good news is that
> everybody in all those places are of the opinion that ET life is a
> theoretical given.  And we are CERN days away from discovering the
> possible existence of a multiverse, whatever that means...
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> Love, (cfa!)
> David
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> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Elisabeth Romberg <eromberg at mac.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eromberg at mac.com');>> wrote:
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>> Well first off I have to excuse my bad english to the followers of this
>> group read. I am struggling to communicate rightly. I look up words, think
>> about how to formulate and structure sentences, in addition to try and find
>> the right angle for my thoughts. (Which is why I have resolved in part to
>> using quotes from books that I have). Still, my language skills doesn’t
>> carry my ideas very well, and I am already embarrassingly aware that I am
>> not coming across how I would like to.
>> Phew, whingeing out of the way...
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>> Please, feel free to start your own posts and carry on discussing stuff
>> from the chapters regardless of the uselessness of my posts. I am greatly
>> excited about the topics these three chapters bring to the forefront. I
>> really liked the article you posted, David, and I also wanted to expand on
>> your feedback.
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>> A little fact-checking would be nice.  Your statements below contain many
>> falsities.
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>> 1. Lucifer is not owned by the Vatican.  The Vatican owns a neighboring
>> telescope on Mt. Graham.
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>> I did’t say the vatican own it. I said they 'operate’ it.
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>> I was already aware that the vatican own their own telescope at Mt
>> Graham.
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>> I used the word operate, because I thought it was the right one to use.
>> (Norwegian is a language with much fewer words than English, and nuances
>> can be lost. Think Vikings), but what it turned out I wanted to communicate
>> was that the vatican use it to monitor outer space as a part of as
>> *consortium* - I didn’t previously know this word. ("A consortium is an
>> association <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association> of two
>> or more individuals <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuals>, companies
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies>, organizations
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizations> or governments
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government> (or any combination of these
>> entities) with the objective of participating in a common activity or
>> pooling their resources for achieving a common goal." (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consortium))
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>> In the vatican's own words:
>> "The truth of the matter is that the Vatican Observatory is a member of
>> the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO) consortium, together with
>> a number of other institutions from Europe and the USA.»
>> http://vaticanobservatory.org/vo-news/news-archive/98-news-archive/vatican-lucifer/515-vatican-lucifer
>>  . This is a link to the Mount Graham website, http://mgio.arizona.edu.
>> It states: «Scientific researchers from around the world make use of
>> MGIO facilities.»
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>> In my original post I wanted to light heartedly point out that top
>> vatican jesuit astronomers like Guy Consolmagno, (who won the Carl Sagan
>> Medal last year: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan_Medal
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan_Medal>* , and speaks out
>> on extraterrestrial life, and our «space-brothers"), also does work at
>> MGIO, which *also includes* a telescope called Lucifer. Currently one of
>> the world's most advanced optical telescopes. The further connection I
>> wanted to make was between astronomical observatories, jesuit astronomers,
>> and CERN.
>> But to try and stay with the wonder... «did you know?» and «no way!» kind
>> of light heartedness.
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>> What spurred me on in this quest, was p. 192, chapter 19 in M&D:
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>> «Because their Philosophers and ours,» explains Mr. Hailstone, «are all
>> in League, with those in other States of Europe, and the Jesuits too, among
>> them possessing Machines, Powders, Rays, Elixirs and such, none less than
>> remarkable, one, now and then, so daunting that even the Agents of Kings
>> must say their Hands»
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>> Indeed.
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>> 2. The YouTube clip you link to of a show called "It's Supernatural" is
>> full of ludrcrous crap.
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>> I am not familiar with the show. I thought the clip was
>> «sensationalistic» for sure. It wasn’t well researched at all. sorry.
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>> Sorry about long post everybody. I will definitely take Dave’s feedback
>> to heart. More tomorrow, if you don’t mind.
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>> 31. mar. 2015 kl. 20.52 skrev David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
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>> A little fact-checking would be nice.  Your statements below contain many
>> falsities.
>>
>> 1. Lucifer is not owned by the Vatican.  The Vatican owns a neighboring
>> telescope on Mt. Graham.
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>> 2. The YouTube clip you link to of a show called "It's Supernatural" is
>> full of ludrcrous crap.
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>> Find some better facts here:
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>> http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/what-the-devil-scientists-tap-power-of-lucifer/
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>> David Morris
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>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 5:34 AM have a nice day, violet wrote this
>>> message:), Elisabeth Romberg wrote:
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>>> But not many people know that the vatican also has an astronomical
>>> observatory in Arizona, United States, near Mount Graham, right?
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Observatory. Where they operate a
>>> telescope named «Lucifer», the most powerful in the world, and that they
>>> are using to monitor outer space The Pope's Top Vatican Astronomer
>>> Admits To Operating The Project Lucifer Telescope On Mount Graham
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvekoiI_HuQ> (and extraterrestrial
>>> life?)
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