2014: The Death of the Postmodern Novel and the Rise of Autofiction - Flavorwire

[Mark Kohut]

Postmodernism, a very slippery word, of course. I dislike it, still
don't have a coherent meaning and see it negatively under all the
words you use for it but I think this guy
mostly sees it as Meta somehow, right? Commenting on itself, narrative
trickery, etc.

It is very thin, with tendentious examples yet, when I keep reflecting
on the surge of memoirs, life stories, the way what used to be
labelled fiction is now autobiography and in other ways he
notes---great remark on Knausgaard imho---

I do think he may see a change in the culture.



On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the real issue isn't style, labels. It is about depth and sincerity.
> Postmodernism's common sins are pastiche, one-line jabs, easy rip-off
> references, cartoonism.  Pynchon does all those things, but most often with
> deep and complex roots.  GR is his masterpiece. It does rival Ulysses.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Despite this guy's characterization, I still think Pynchon is a late
>> Modernist.
>> But others even on this list call him a postmodernist.
>>
>> The term has been flashbacked definitionally to include another great
>> Englsih novel, Tristram Shandy.
>> A novel that is all in the digressions. (the great Samuel Johnson,
>> wrong this time (as Wood will be with
>> Pynchon) ) said it wouldn't last.."nothing odd will last".
>>
>> Man,  is M &D all in the digressions or isn't it?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Postmodern architecture has been considered a collective embarrassment
>> > for
>> > at least 20 years. Neo-modernism reigns now.  It is not the evangelical
>> > modernism of the past. It is all about form, style, magazines.  Green
>> > architecture is the closest thing we have to early modernism. Third
>> > world
>> > outreach architecture too.  I don't know how long Modernism really
>> > believed
>> > its story.  In architecture PM has long ago lost its welcome.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Like"...yet someone said This articulated below IS also postmodernism
>> >> (
>> >> who cares, just a label) but
>> >> The return of realism, the self, different though, is what matters, if
>> >> he's right on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://flavorwire.com/496570/2014-the-death-of-the-postmodern-novel-and-the-rise-of-autofiction
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad-
>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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