2014: The Death of the Postmodern Novel and the Rise of Autofiction - Flavorwire

[David Morris]

Meta is inherently secondary. Commentary. A side show.

On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Postmodernism, a very slippery word, of course. I dislike it, still
> don't have a coherent meaning and see it negatively under all the
> words you use for it but I think this guy
> mostly sees it as Meta somehow, right? Commenting on itself, narrative
> trickery, etc.
>
> It is very thin, with tendentious examples yet, when I keep reflecting
> on the surge of memoirs, life stories, the way what used to be
> labelled fiction is now autobiography and in other ways he
> notes---great remark on Knausgaard imho---
>
> I do think he may see a change in the culture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 5:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > I think the real issue isn't style, labels. It is about depth and
> sincerity.
> > Postmodernism's common sins are pastiche, one-line jabs, easy rip-off
> > references, cartoonism.  Pynchon does all those things, but most often
> with
> > deep and complex roots.  GR is his masterpiece. It does rival Ulysses.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Despite this guy's characterization, I still think Pynchon is a late
> >> Modernist.
> >> But others even on this list call him a postmodernist.
> >>
> >> The term has been flashbacked definitionally to include another great
> >> Englsih novel, Tristram Shandy.
> >> A novel that is all in the digressions. (the great Samuel Johnson,
> >> wrong this time (as Wood will be with
> >> Pynchon) ) said it wouldn't last.."nothing odd will last".
> >>
> >> Man,  is M &D all in the digressions or isn't it?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> > Postmodern architecture has been considered a collective embarrassment
> >> > for
> >> > at least 20 years. Neo-modernism reigns now.  It is not the
> evangelical
> >> > modernism of the past. It is all about form, style, magazines.  Green
> >> > architecture is the closest thing we have to early modernism. Third
> >> > world
> >> > outreach architecture too.  I don't know how long Modernism really
> >> > believed
> >> > its story.  In architecture PM has long ago lost its welcome.
> >> >
> >> > David Morris
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Like"...yet someone said This articulated below IS also
> postmodernism
> >> >> (
> >> >> who cares, just a label) but
> >> >> The return of realism, the self, different though, is what matters,
> if
> >> >> he's right on.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://flavorwire.com/496570/2014-the-death-of-the-postmodern-novel-and-the-rise-of-autofiction
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPad-
> >> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>
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